StrangeSox Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 01:23 PM) Paterno is getting the lion's share of the publicity here. Which has all been negative, in case you haven't noticed. He's famous. No one else involved is. What, exactly, is there to report that's positive? That either equals or is even worse than receiving the blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 02:22 PM) No one is doing that. Please stop lying about what others are saying. In the immediate reaction to a scandal, the most well-known names will get the most attention. This isn't surprising or unique or even wrong. BS. This has been going on for 4 days now. If you honestly believe PSU forced the DA and the local police to drop a clear confession of molestation, and then allow a predator to continue to rape children, in order to protect their football program, Paterno better not be the center of discussion unless there is evidence that he had something to do with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 02:25 PM) Well yeah, he's the most famous. The same way Kim Kardashian is getting most of the publicity about her divorce. Thats how it works. Oh, great analogy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 02:22 PM) In the immediate reaction to a scandal, the most well-known names will get the most attention. This isn't surprising or unique or even wrong. One other important note...Joe Paterno and the Receiver's coach are the only 2 who would be still acting as representatives of the university this Saturday if it were not for the public outcry. Forcing that to not happen is an important element of the public reaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 So new theory: The cover-up in 98 and subsequent forced retirement in 99 stems directly from the top brasses knowledge that Sandusky was pimping out kids to a whole lotta rich, rich donors to the school. If they reported him not only would they open up Penn State to embarrassment, but they further could have risked Sandusky outing all the rich donors. Not at all justifying any of this of course. Just wondering if that was why they didn't report him and allowed him to stick around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 02:27 PM) BS. This has been going on for 4 days now. If you honestly believe PSU forced the DA and the local police to drop a clear confession of molestation, and then allow a predator to continue to rape children, in order to protect their football program, Paterno better not be the center of discussion unless there is evidence that he had something to do with it. We have just as much evidence that the DA dropped his charges because it was Penn State Football as we have evidence that Joe Paterno personally called him and asked him to not investigate further. That part is informed speculation at best. But there clearly needs to be investigation to figure out why that happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 01:28 PM) Oh, great analogy. Ok, BALCO, name the key people involved, and the most vilified person. The highest profile person involved in a scandal is always the most publicized. Its a pretty simple concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 01:29 PM) So new theory: The cover-up in 98 and subsequent forced retirement in 99 stems directly from the top brasses knowledge that Sandusky was pimping out kids to a whole lotta rich, rich donors to the school. If they reported him not only would they open up Penn State to embarrassment, but they further could have risked Sandusky outing all the rich donors. Not at all justifying any of this of course. Just wondering if that was why they didn't report him and allowed him to stick around. Its possible, I'm sure this theory is being investigated. Regardless there is a reason that the "coach in waiting" was forced to retire abruptly after being investigated for molestation. The question also is: Why wasnt he hired by ANY other program in the country after his retirement? He wasnt very old, he was an extremely effective coach, and im sure there were many openings around the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 01:29 PM) So new theory: The cover-up in 98 and subsequent forced retirement in 99 stems directly from the top brasses knowledge that Sandusky was pimping out kids to a whole lotta rich, rich donors to the school. If they reported him not only would they open up Penn State to embarrassment, but they further could have risked Sandusky outing all the rich donors. Not at all justifying any of this of course. Just wondering if that was why they didn't report him and allowed him to stick around. If this is the case, watch the lawsuits that come out of it. That is major criminal actions right there. Way beyond the whole not reporting it... It will be nine figure lawsuit territory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 02:29 PM) We have just as much evidence that the DA dropped his charges because it was Penn State Football as we have evidence that Joe Paterno personally called him and asked him to not investigate further. That part is informed speculation at best. But there clearly needs to be investigation to figure out why that happened. Oh you are being absolutely ridiculous now. See, this is my whole f***ing point. Now Paterno is the one calling the DA and asking him not to investigate the molestation of a child... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 01:31 PM) Ok, BALCO, name the key people involved, and the most vilified person. The highest profile person involved in a scandal is always the most publicized. Its a pretty simple concept. Well except in this case the highest profile person involved hasn't lied and told everyone that he didn't do or know anything at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 02:31 PM) Ok, BALCO, name the key people involved, and the most vilified person. The highest profile person involved in a scandal is always the most publicized. Its a pretty simple concept. See, this is the problem with the media coverage to this point. Now we're comparing Joe to Barry Bonds. As if he was just as guilty as the other actors in our story...needless to say we have a child rapist involved, Paterno is more famous so we should be talking about him instead! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 01:27 PM) BS. This has been going on for 4 days now. If you honestly believe PSU forced the DA and the local police to drop a clear confession of molestation, and then allow a predator to continue to rape children, in order to protect their football program, Paterno better not be the center of discussion unless there is evidence that he had something to do with it. There's no evidence that that actually happened. Running with that story would be pure speculation and completely irresponsible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 02:34 PM) Well except in this case the highest profile person involved hasn't lied and told everyone that he didn't do or know anything at all. Although there are conflicting reports about what exactly he was told in 2002 which could in fact mean that he has lied in public statements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 01:33 PM) Oh you are being absolutely ridiculous now. See, this is my whole f***ing point. Now Paterno is the one calling the DA and asking him not to investigate the molestation of a child... Balta is pointing out that this is pure speculation, not saying that it is what happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 02:37 PM) There's no evidence that that actually happened. Running with that story would be pure speculation and completely irresponsible. And yet everyone's imaginations are running wild, like Balta's, about Paterno calling the DA and Paterno hatching this plan with the President of the University to cover everything up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 02:33 PM) Oh you are being absolutely ridiculous now. See, this is my whole f***ing point. Now Paterno is the one calling the DA and asking him not to investigate the molestation of a child... That statement seems just about as ridiculous as your recent statement that Joe Paterno was an exemplary person and led and exemplary life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 02:38 PM) Balta is pointing out that this is pure speculation, not saying that it is what happened. And I am pointing out that this kind of speculation is stemming from the media coverage. Earth to you both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 01:39 PM) And yet everyone's imaginations are running wild, like Balta's, about Paterno calling the DA and Paterno hatching this plan with the President of the University to cover everything up... He was illustrating a point with a potential scenario, not claiming that it happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 02:38 PM) Balta is pointing out that this is pure speculation, not saying that it is what happened. They're going to speculate that he's telling the truth, that the other statements are exaggerated, and that he's getting too much blame, it's just as fair to speculate the opposite direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 01:39 PM) He was illustrating a point with a potential scenario, not claiming that it happened. Yes, keep making my point for me, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 01:39 PM) And I am pointing out that this kind of speculation is stemming from the media coverage. Earth to you both. I think you should go re-read that series of posts. You're taking what he said the wrong way, completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 02:39 PM) And I am pointing out that this kind of speculation is stemming from the media coverage. Earth to you both. I'd say it's stemming from the fact that somehow he still has defenders who tell us that he was an exemplary person and led an exemplary life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 01:40 PM) I think you should go re-read that series of posts. You're taking what he said the wrong way, completely. He doesn't seem to think so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 01:29 PM) So new theory: The cover-up in 98 and subsequent forced retirement in 99 stems directly from the top brasses knowledge that Sandusky was pimping out kids to a whole lotta rich, rich donors to the school. If they reported him not only would they open up Penn State to embarrassment, but they further could have risked Sandusky outing all the rich donors. Not at all justifying any of this of course. Just wondering if that was why they didn't report him and allowed him to stick around. I want to not believe this because it would suggest that there are lots and lots of pedophiles out there, certainly more than I would have suspected. To think that a lot of pedophiles are rich is also somehow tough to comprehend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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