Penn State horror story

[zenryan]

here is a shirt being sold at a couple of Penn St bookstores but not the official school bookstore. There are some good fans that root for PSU but the ones who would buy this crap makes it real easy to root for the total destruction of that program.

 

 

[Kyyle23]

Right but the compliance usually is connected to some sort of tangible rule breaking.

 

IE: To many phone calls, money, inappropriate contact during offseason.

 

Compliance is usually not connected to, coach breaks law unrelated to sport, administrator breaks law covering up a crime that is unrelated to sports.

 

Im trying to find another example where the NCAA put penalties on a school just for criminal conduct that was in no way related to money, and as of now I cant find one.

 

(Edit)

 

And the part about people being scared to report, that generally is more a whistle-blower federal thing, as opposed to NCAA.

 

the closest situation I can think to this is the Baylor situation where the kid killed his teammate and the coach tried to cover it up

[StrangeSox]

here is a shirt being sold at a couple of Penn St bookstores but not the official school bookstore. There are some good fans that root for PSU but the ones who would buy this crap makes it real easy to root for the total destruction of that program.

 

 

What do ncaa sanctions have to do with communism?

[Balta1701]

Doesn't everyone love how that shirt refers to Penn State as "Innocent"?

[bmags]

What do ncaa sanctions have to do with communism?

 

Maybe communists hated pedophiles as well?

[southsider2k5]

What do ncaa sanctions have to do with communism?

 

Schools have used that acronym as long as I can remember. IIRC Brian Bosworth had it put on a t-shirt after he got suspended from a bowl game like 25 years ago.

[southsider2k5]

Maybe communists hated pedophiles as well?

 

One of the hates they did get right.

[Soxbadger]

the closest situation I can think to this is the Baylor situation where the kid killed his teammate and the coach tried to cover it up

 

I originally thought that but with the Baylor case there was actual financial impropriety as well (paying for non-scholarship players, recruiting violations and the head coach bliss had been paying players at SMU).

 

According to wiki here were the major violations:

 

 

Bliss paying for tuition for two players, Dennehy and Herring[4] and attempting to conceal it.

Coaching staff providing meals, transportation, lodging and clothing to athletes.

Coaching staff paying for tuition and fees for a recruit at another school.

Bliss's encouragement of school boosters to donate to a foundation tied to a basketball team that included prospective Baylor recruits.

Failure to report positive drug test results by athletes.

Failure by the entire coaching staff to "exercise institutional control over the basketball program."

 

 

I was shocked how little the NCAA cared about the murder part.

[StrangeSox]

Schools have used that acronym as long as I can remember. IIRC Brian Bosworth had it put on a t-shirt after he got suspended from a bowl game like 25 years ago.

 

Yeah, that wasn't an honest question, just more pointing and laughing.

 

[Kyyle23]

I originally thought that but with the Baylor case there was actual financial impropriety as well (paying for non-scholarship players, recruiting violations and the head coach bliss had been paying players at SMU).

 

According to wiki here were the major violations:

 

 

Bliss paying for tuition for two players, Dennehy and Herring[4] and attempting to conceal it.

Coaching staff providing meals, transportation, lodging and clothing to athletes.

Coaching staff paying for tuition and fees for a recruit at another school.

Bliss's encouragement of school boosters to donate to a foundation tied to a basketball team that included prospective Baylor recruits.

Failure to report positive drug test results by athletes.

Failure by the entire coaching staff to "exercise institutional control over the basketball program."

 

 

I was shocked how little the NCAA cared about the murder part.

 

It had been a while, I forgot about all of that stuff coming out after the fact

[IlliniKrush]

Should sell them in white since PSU does white outs. I'm guessing every student would buy one.

 

And yes Balta the best part is "innocent."

 

 

[southsider2k5]

Yeah, that wasn't an honest question, just more pointing and laughing.

 

 

That was one dude I was happy to see be a flop.

[RockRaines]

The fact they continue to think that PSU is the "innocent" shows you how crazy they are in Happy Valley. Almost your entire leadership including the AD and the head coach who pretty much ran the school covered up crimes against children over decades, yet you are innocent.

[RockRaines]

So Sandusky was double teaming a kid with a prominent PSU booster, oh and was sending out kiddie porn to members of the second mile charity. Wow, really surprised.

[Balta1701]

So Sandusky was double teaming a kid with a prominent PSU booster, oh and was sending out kiddie porn to members of the second mile charity. Wow, really surprised.

Link?

[Mr. Showtime]

Link

[Soxbadger]

So Sandusky was double teaming a kid with a prominent PSU booster, oh and was sending out kiddie porn to members of the second mile charity. Wow, really surprised.

 

It had to go higher than just Sandusky. A Pennsylvania District Attorney disappeared over this. (Ray Gricar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Gricar )

 

 

[Kyyle23]

It had to go higher than just Sandusky. A Pennsylvania District Attorney disappeared over this. (Ray Gricar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Gricar )

 

I saw that "Haunting Evidence" show about Gricar's disappearance sometime before the Sandusky story broke, and I remember they were referencing that he was on to something pretty big, but they didnt know what.

[Balta1701]

Even if these accusations were true, I find it incredibly difficult to believe they'll ever be proven.

 

Basically...how would anyone ever prove this? Would there be a paper trail? Unlikely to me, "Trading off little boys" seems like something of a "Cash only, no documents" business.

 

Beyond that, how would you get someone to tell the feds about it? Would someone who actually had one of the boys admit anything? Not unless caught for some other reason. Would someone else who knew about the transaction tell the Feds? No, because suddenly they'd be liable, they're better off just lying. Finally, if Sandusky knew about things, would he tell the feds? Only if the Feds would give him some variety of leniency, which they're not going to do for a multiple child rapist, they're happy with him put away, and the Feds didn't bring charges anyway, because the state did its job.

 

Basically, what would need to happen is that one of the men who was directly involved in having sex with a boy through Sandusky gets caught otherwise and agrees to testify against Penn State in exchange for leniency...which requires them being caught and requires the feds to have more of an interest in Penn State than in that rich guy's abuse case.

 

Basically, if this happened, the people involved are above the law.

[Balta1701]

Penn State receives "Accreditation warning" from multi-state oversight committee over this case, specifically over its failures to meet federal monitoring and reporting requirements.

 

And before anyone says something to try to defend them again, this is entirely justified. The Freeh report noted multiple, repeated instances of Penn State blatantly refusing to comply with Federal Laws regarding oversight and crime reporting. That doesn't just go for the Sandusky case, thanks to the football program there are now multiple cases of crimes either covered up or reported to the police but not officially reported to the Federal government, and the athletics department failed to meet their reporting standards for at least a decade+. Additional monitoring of the cleanup by a higher-level accreditation agency is entirely justified, as would be stripping them of their accreditation if they failed to meet standards once again.

[Kyyle23]

Even if these accusations were true, I find it incredibly difficult to believe they'll ever be proven.

 

Basically...how would anyone ever prove this? Would there be a paper trail? Unlikely to me, "Trading off little boys" seems like something of a "Cash only, no documents" business.

 

Beyond that, how would you get someone to tell the feds about it? Would someone who actually had one of the boys admit anything? Not unless caught for some other reason. Would someone else who knew about the transaction tell the Feds? No, because suddenly they'd be liable, they're better off just lying. Finally, if Sandusky knew about things, would he tell the feds? Only if the Feds would give him some variety of leniency, which they're not going to do for a multiple child rapist, they're happy with him put away, and the Feds didn't bring charges anyway, because the state did its job.

 

Basically, what would need to happen is that one of the men who was directly involved in having sex with a boy through Sandusky gets caught otherwise and agrees to testify against Penn State in exchange for leniency...which requires them being caught and requires the feds to have more of an interest in Penn State than in that rich guy's abuse case.

 

Basically, if this happened, the people involved are above the law.

 

There is one party in the transaction you are leaving out, the boys themselves.

[Balta1701]

There is one party in the transaction you are leaving out, the boys themselves.

You are quite correct.

 

But...look how many victims there have to be before one actually starts to come forward. Sandusky had dozens over a period of decades before "Victim 1" finally came forward to the police. There's a line in this article about the victim believing Sandusky could "Have him killed" if he came forward.

[Kyyle23]

You are quite correct.

 

But...look how many victims there have to be before one actually starts to come forward. Sandusky had dozens over a period of decades before "Victim 1" finally came forward to the police. There's a line in this article about the victim believing Sandusky could "Have him killed" if he came forward.

 

Yea, I'm sure a lot still live in fear of Sandusky and in shame of what happened. But with this story, I am going to stick with "where there is smoke, there is fire.". I'm guessing one of the victims mentioned something about other men beingb involved.

 

 

 

So disgusted with all of it.

[Kyyle23]

Also, Victim 1 is only our established timeline dating to 1998.

[RockRaines]

You are quite correct.

 

But...look how many victims there have to be before one actually starts to come forward. Sandusky had dozens over a period of decades before "Victim 1" finally came forward to the police. There's a line in this article about the victim believing Sandusky could "Have him killed" if he came forward.

There was apparently eye witnesses who work for the rich boosters and saw it happen on private planes.