southsider2k5 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 officialBBWAA BBWAA Justin Verlander unanimously wins AL Cy Young. Story and full voting at bbwaa.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 (Checking out the window to confirm.) Yes, I can also report that the sun rose today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 15, 2011 Author Share Posted November 15, 2011 jaysonst Jayson Stark Found it fascinating that Jose Valverde finished 5th in AL Cy Young. No blown SVs but among AL relievers with 50+ IP, he ranked 19th in WAR! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Glad no morons put Sabathia first. No surprises in the voting. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 15, 2011 -> 01:11 PM) jaysonst Jayson Stark Found it fascinating that Jose Valverde finished 5th in AL Cy Young. No blown SVs but among AL relievers with 50+ IP, he ranked 19th in WAR! WAR is maybe not a great measure for closers. No way anyone in their right mind would have rather had 18 closers more so than Valverde last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 When is the last time someone won unanimously? There are usually a few jerks who throw it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 15, 2011 -> 03:47 PM) When is the last time someone won unanimously? There are usually a few jerks who throw it off. Halladay last season. In the AL, Johan was the last one in 2004 & 2006. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 15, 2011 -> 03:56 PM) Halladay last season. In the AL, Johan was the last one in 2004 & 2006. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 This was as anti-climatic as you could possibly get. NL CY will be MUCH more dramatic. I'm going with my male lover if I were gay - Clayton Kershaw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 15, 2011 -> 01:19 PM) Glad no morons put Sabathia first. No surprises in the voting. WAR is maybe not a great measure for closers. No way anyone in their right mind would have rather had 18 closers more so than Valverde last year. I think Valverde's screw ups in mop up time screwed with his peripherals, meaning poorer numbers. He was definitely top 10 last season considering how good he was in save situations. Still, the joke is that he got 5th somehow, ahead of Dan Haren. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Glad no morons put Sabathia first. No surprises in the voting. WAR is maybe not a great measure for closers. No way anyone in their right mind would have rather had 18 closers more so than Valverde last year. It was 18 relievers with a higher WAR than Valverde, not 18 closers. I'm betting that most of those 18 were not closers, but yeah, I agree that WAR is not a great measure for closers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 16, 2011 -> 07:14 AM) It was 18 relievers with a higher WAR than Valverde, not 18 closers. I'm betting that most of those 18 were not closers, but yeah, I agree that WAR is not a great measure for closers. FWIW, Valverde was 2nd in the AL in WPA, first among closers. Only David Robertson had a higher WPA. Valverde also led the league in shut downs (saves or good appearances in close game situations) with 38. His 5 meltdowns were the second lowest for a closer. So Valverde really did have a great season if you view things from a win probability perspective. His peripherals were far from excellent though. Which probably means he won't repeat what he did this past year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 QUOTE (chw42 @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 04:35 AM) FWIW, Valverde was 2nd in the AL in WPA, first among closers. Only David Robertson had a higher WPA. Valverde also led the league in shut downs (saves or good appearances in close game situations) with 38. His 5 meltdowns were the second lowest for a closer. So Valverde really did have a great season if you view things from a win probability perspective. His peripherals were far from excellent though. Which probably means he won't repeat what he did this past year. I am sure he won't, not just because of the odds, but because I think he was unusually lucky (which is what you are getting at I think). His stuff was good, but didn't look as good as the perfect save % made it seem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 09:16 AM) I am sure he won't, not just because of the odds, but because I think he was unusually lucky (which is what you are getting at I think). His stuff was good, but didn't look as good as the perfect save % made it seem. You can say the exact same thing about Verlander. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 12:41 PM) You can say the exact same thing about Verlander. No, because Verlander actually did look that dominating to me. Valverde didn't. Call it the eye test or whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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