Balta1701 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 01:32 AM) Not sure I'll ever truly understand the love Brett Gardner gets from some people. I totally understand the love, take a look at his stats, especially OBP. Would fit in well with our needs last year. Problem is, he's about to start getting much more expensive by hitting arbitration, and we have a guy who with some luck might be able to give us something similar in De Aza for much less cost. Bringing back an MLB-ready OF is a mistake. We have too many guys who should get playing time at those spots right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I totally understand the love, take a look at his stats, especially OBP. Would fit in well with our needs last year. Problem is, he's about to start getting much more expensive by hitting arbitration, and we have a guy who with some luck might be able to give us something similar in De Aza for much less cost. Bringing back an MLB-ready OF is a mistake. We have too many guys who should get playing time at those spots right now What I've been wondering is if the Yankees are desperate enough to get their hands on Danks that they'd take Rios with him. Danks + Rios for Gardner straight up is a deal I think I'd do in a heartbeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 08:34 AM) What I've been wondering is if the Yankees are desperate enough to get their hands on Danks that they'd take Rios with him. Danks + Rios for Gardner straight up is a deal I think I'd do in a heartbeat. And Rios' contract isn't that bad for a team like the Yankees. $12 million a year isn't the worst thing out there, but it's probably the fact that he still has three years left that holds back trading him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 08:34 AM) What I've been wondering is if the Yankees are desperate enough to get their hands on Danks that they'd take Rios with him. Danks + Rios for Gardner straight up is a deal I think I'd do in a heartbeat. That would be outstanding for the Sox. Get riod of Rios contract & get a young, quality player for Danks before he leaves as a FA. My big concern for the Yankees side is that I doubt the pressure of NYC would help Rios bounce back at all. It could make him bat worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Packaging our better players all into one trade doesn't make any sense to me. Sparks some comments for sure, but why put all your eggs in one basket? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 09:27 AM) Packaging our better players all into one trade doesn't make any sense to me. Sparks some comments for sure, but why put all your eggs in one basket? I'm the only one who proposed that. And I'd take that deal, but the Red Sox would die laughing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Rockies would salivate over Danks, and they have several players who would really help the White Sox. I would love to see a big trade between these two teams, given that they have the worst GM's in MLB. This is the only way Kenny would have a level playing field in trade discussions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 QUOTE (oldsox @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 10:17 AM) Rockies would salivate over Danks, and they have several players who would really help the White Sox. I would love to see a big trade between these two teams, given that they have the worst GM's in MLB. This is the only way Kenny would have a level playing field in trade discussions. Who would we target on the Rockies? I'm not familiar with their farm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemon_44 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 (edited) I like Danks to the Reds idea. How about Danks to the Reds for Alonso and Homer Bailey. The Reds rotation of Danks, Arroyo, Cueto, Volquez(when he gets back), and Leake makes Bailey's more expendable.Not to mention they have also have Travis Wood. KW likes both guys. The Sox may have to throw in something but this trade seems feasable. Alonso the can play OF with DeAza and Viciedo. Quentin could be dealt to Atlanta for Beachy and give their rotation 3 young arms in Beachy, Sale, and Bailey to go along with Peavy and Floyd. The Reds could also use a guy like Thornton as they really missed the role Arthur Rhodes filled for them. Why not make it a big deal and get Grandal as well? I guess alot of that depends on what kind of future the Sox think Flowers actually has. Edited November 17, 2011 by Lemon_44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 12:41 PM) I like Danks to the Reds idea. How about Danks to the Reds for Alonso and Homer Bailey. The Reds rotation of Danks, Arroyo, Cueto, Volquez(when he gets back), and Leake makes Bailey's more expendable.Not to mention they have also have Travis Wood. KW likes both guys. The Sox may have to throw in something but this trade seems feasable. Alonso the can play OF with DeAza and Viciedo. Quentin could be dealt to Atlanta for Beachy and give their rotation 3 young arms in Beachy, Sale, and Bailey to go along with Peavy and Floyd. The Reds could also use a guy like Thornton as they really missed the role Arthur Rhodes filled for them. Why not make it a big deal and get Grandal as well? I guess alot of that depends on what kind of future the Sox think Flowers actually has. I don't think you are going to get Bailey, Alonso, and Grandal for Danks and Thornton, I'm sorry, you just won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 12:12 PM) I don't think you are going to get Bailey, Alonso, and Grandal for Danks and Thornton, I'm sorry, you just won't. Yeah, I think you go for Grandal instead of Alonso in that scenario, not Grandal PLUS Alonso. Edited November 17, 2011 by Eminor3rd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MindGame2004 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 (edited) You keep Santos. At this point Quentin, Danks, Floyd and Thornton should all be on the table for position talent. Kenny is far too pitcher happy, so I suspect that's what they'll be going for. Edited November 18, 2011 by MindGame2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 If we are gonna trade with the Reds, how about Jermaine Dye for Homer Bailey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 11:41 AM) I like Danks to the Reds idea. How about Danks to the Reds for Alonso and Homer Bailey. The Reds rotation of Danks, Arroyo, Cueto, Volquez(when he gets back), and Leake makes Bailey's more expendable.Not to mention they have also have Travis Wood. KW likes both guys. The Sox may have to throw in something but this trade seems feasable. Alonso the can play OF with DeAza and Viciedo. Quentin could be dealt to Atlanta for Beachy and give their rotation 3 young arms in Beachy, Sale, and Bailey to go along with Peavy and Floyd. The Reds could also use a guy like Thornton as they really missed the role Arthur Rhodes filled for them. Why not make it a big deal and get Grandal as well? I guess alot of that depends on what kind of future the Sox think Flowers actually has. I very much doubt Atlanta would trade Beachy for CQ. I'd love it if that happened though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 QUOTE (soxfan-kwman @ Nov 16, 2011 -> 11:49 PM) Quentin & Danks for Brett Gardner & prospects. LAWLZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 12:17 PM) Yeah, I think you go for Grandal instead of Alonso in that scenario, not Grandal PLUS Alonso. You sure has heck try for the both of them. Cincy has to be reading between the lines at the Cards potentially losing Pujols, and the Brewers Fielder, and thinking this might be their chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 QUOTE (MindGame2004 @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 10:47 PM) You keep Santos. At this point Quentin, Danks, Floyd and Thornton should all be on the table for position talent. Kenny is far too pitcher happy, so I suspect that's what they'll be going for. There is nothing wrong with taking young pitching if it's available. Young starting pitching is the single most valuable commodity in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Reds are looking at Baily as closer and Alonso is being mentioned. Would you trade Santos for Alonso? I would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Nov 21, 2011 -> 11:31 AM) Reds are looking at Baily as closer and Alonso is being mentioned. Would you trade Santos for Alonso? I would. I'd do that last month if I'm the A's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 21, 2011 -> 12:48 PM) I'd do that last month if I'm the A's. An everyday player for a getting-expensive closer? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthsideDon48 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 10:51 AM) Who would we target on the Rockies? I'm not familiar with their farm I would love it if the sox somehow got Edwar Cabrera from the Rockies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 21, 2011 -> 01:40 PM) An everyday player for a getting-expensive closer? Yes. This is where Marty actually has a point. If you can deal a Santos for a cheap position player or SP with upside (Alonso definitely qualifies), you go for it. Edited November 21, 2011 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehugeunit Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 12:17 AM) I've been lusting over Gardner for a while now. I want to see Danks for Gardner + prospect trade. LOL. If we are trading Gardner I'd want more than just Danks coming back... Do you realize just how good Gardner is? The past two years Gardner has a better WAR than Curtis Granderson, Justin Upton, Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Prince Fielder to name a few. He was the 13th best positional player in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 21, 2011 -> 04:27 PM) This is where Marty actually has a point. If you can deal a Santos for a cheap position player or SP with upside (Alonso definitely qualifies), you go for it. I don't know Alonso that well, but he's a 1b right? I would really hate to deal for a guy that we have to move to RF because he's blocked by Konerko, only to find out that Alonso is blocked in RF by Viciedo. In other words, he better be able to give me numbers that make it reasonable for me to send the Captain packing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 QUOTE (TheHugeUnit @ Nov 21, 2011 -> 04:19 PM) LOL. If we are trading Gardner I'd want more than just Danks coming back... Do you realize just how good Gardner is? The past two years Gardner has a better WAR than Curtis Granderson, Justin Upton, Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Prince Fielder to name a few. He was the 13th best positional player in baseball. Whoa. I like Gardner. But let's not get it twisted. A BIG bulk of his value comes from playing an outstanding LF. He's not better than any of the guys you named. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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