nickofypres Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 28, 2011 -> 09:28 AM) The only realistic plan with Dunn, Rios, and Peavy, is to put them in the lineup next April. If somehow, any of the 3 comes out and performs well in April and May, then by the time people start making trades, it might be possible to move them without eating most of their salary. They have to be viewed as sunk costs for now; the team has committed to spend the money, anything other than "Sitting them on the bench for 3 years" that you can get for them is a bonus. I agree with Peavy being movable given that he is a free agent at the end of the season. Someone who really needs a bat may call for Rios (San Fran?) but I doubt it, sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 QUOTE (whitesox901 @ Nov 28, 2011 -> 09:23 AM) I agree with Peavy being movable given that he is a free agent at the end of the season. Someone who really needs a bat may call for Rios (San Fran?) but I doubt it, sadly. He'll have to be Cy Peavy to be movable this year without the Sox picking up money. The guy is getting $18 million his year, plus he has a massive buyout coming after this season. Even if you get him at the midpoint of this season, we are talking about 12ish million dollars for half of a season. I don't see it happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoryMC98 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 The only realistic plan with Dunn, Rios, and Peavy, is to put them in the lineup next April. If somehow, any of the 3 comes out and performs well in April and May, then by the time people start making trades, it might be possible to move them without eating most of their salary. They have to be viewed as sunk costs for now; the team has committed to spend the money, anything other than "Sitting them on the bench for 3 years" that you can get for them is a bonus. That plan sounds great in theory, but if the 3 actually have normal them type seasons.. The Sox should be in the hunt of the playoffs, do you realistic see Kenny making a trade that takes away from the team, in 2012, for the greater good of beyond? In 11 years he has failed to do so. I don't see him doing it now. The Sox are stuck with those 3 until their contracts run out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Nov 28, 2011 -> 09:27 AM) That plan sounds great in theory, but if the 3 actually have normal them type seasons.. The Sox should be in the hunt of the playoffs, do you realistic see Kenny making a trade that takes away from the team, in 2012, for the greater good of beyond? In 11 years he has failed to do so. I don't see him doing it now. The Sox are stuck with those 3 until their contracts run out. Evidently you missed last year and the Edwin Jackson deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoryMC98 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 (edited) Evidently you missed last year and the Edwin Jackson deal? And you missed the Sox were out of it? Edited November 28, 2011 by VictoryMC98 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Nov 28, 2011 -> 09:34 AM) And you missed the Sox were out of it? Getting past that silliness even, how many teams have subtracted contributing players while they were "in it"? I'd like to see some examples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoryMC98 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Getting past that silliness even, how many teams have subtracted contributing players while they were "in it"? I'd like to see some examples. As would I, and that's my point... If the 3 have great seasons.. aka normal season to their standards.. The Sox should be legit playoff team, I don't see Kenny making any move.. aka, JR approving any trade that takes away from the team for the long term greater good. So Balta statement IMO is a great theory, not based in reality, of how we can possibly dump those guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Nov 28, 2011 -> 10:46 AM) As would I, and that's my point... If the 3 have great seasons.. aka normal season to their standards.. The Sox should be legit playoff team, I don't see Kenny making any move.. aka, JR approving any trade that takes away from the team for the long term greater good. So Balta statement IMO is a great theory, not based in reality, of how we can possibly dump those guys. Then the only thing that is going to happen is we're going to pay out their contracts unless they retire, so we may as well get ourselves ready to see them in the lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Move #1 Sergio Santos and Gavin Floyd to the Reds for Yonder Alonso and Yasmani Grandal. Move #2 Matt Thornton, John Danks and cash to the Yankees for Dellin Betances and Austin Romine Move #3 Carlos Quentin, Jesse Crain and cash to the Padres for Luke Gregerson and Ernesto Frieri Move #4 Yonder Alonso and Dellin Betances to Rays for Matt Moore Move #5 AJ Pierzynski and Cash to the Dodgers for Allen Webster Move #6 Re-sign Buehrle 3 years $42m Starting Rotation Mark Buehrle Jake Peavy Matt Moore Phil Humber Chris Sale Bullpen Jason Frasor Will Ohman Luke Gregerson Ernesto Frieri Dylan Axelrod Zach Stewart Addison Reed Lineup LF De Aza 2B Beckham DH Dunn 1B Konerko SS Ramirez CF Rios RF Viciedo C Flowers 3B Morel Bench Austin Romine Brent Lillibridge Ozzie Martinez Minors Yasmani Grandal Overview We shed about $22m from the payroll and cut ticket prices 10% more. Tell me how much you love this plan now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Ha, I was following you through #1 and #2. Was trying to figure out how #3 made sense at all for the Padres, who just lost Heath Bell, and then I started laughing when Matt Moore got involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Stopped reading after Matt Moore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 2, 2011 -> 04:25 PM) Ha, I was following you through #1 and #2. Was trying to figure out how #3 made sense at all for the Padres, who just lost Heath Bell, and then I started laughing when Matt Moore got involved. Crain is they're new closer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 2, 2011 -> 04:27 PM) Stopped reading after Matt Moore. Pretty much. Matt Moore? Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Dec 2, 2011 -> 09:49 PM) Pretty much. Matt Moore? Really? It's not completely unrealistic. I'm offering two good prospects for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 QUOTE (striker @ Dec 2, 2011 -> 09:18 PM) It's not completely unrealistic. I'm offering two good prospects for him. It's completely unrealistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pktmotion Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 (edited) Thought I'd give this offseason a shot... Gavin Floyd and Matt Thornton to CIN for Homer Bailey(SP) and Yonder Alonso(1B) John Danks to TEX for Derek Holland(SP) and Erik Morrison(2B) Paul Konerko to PIT for Garrett Jones(1B/RF) and Rudy Owens(SP) CF Alejandro De Aza SS Alexei Ramirez DH Carlos Quentin 1B Adam Dunn RF Alex Rios 2B Gordon Beckham C AJ Pierzynski LF Dayan Viciedo 3B Brent Morel Bench: Flowers, Alonso, Jones, Lillibridge Jake Peavy Derek Holland Homer Bailey Chris Sale Phil Humber Rudy Owens Zach Stewart Donnie Veal Dylan Axelrod Will Ohman Jason Frasor Jesse Crain Addison Reed Sergio Santos Edited December 3, 2011 by pktmotion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 QUOTE (pktmotion @ Dec 3, 2011 -> 06:25 AM) Thought I'd give this offseason a shot... Gavin Floyd and Matt Thornton to CIN for Homer Bailey(SP) and Yonder Alonso(1B) I think I'd rather havetrvis wood over bailey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (pktmotion @ Dec 3, 2011 -> 05:25 AM) Thought I'd give this offseason a shot... John Danks to TEX for Derek Holland(SP) and Erik Morrison(2B) This is the second time I've seen this proposed. As I asked the first person, what single rational reason would the Rangers trade Derek Holland for John Danks? Holland might be Danks' equal right now. And he's a WHOLE lot cheaper and under control for a WHOLE lot longer. Makes no sense whatsoever. Edited December 3, 2011 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 QUOTE (striker @ Dec 2, 2011 -> 09:18 PM) It's not completely unrealistic. I'm offering two good prospects for him. Andrew Friedman disagrees with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 3, 2011 -> 09:41 AM) This is the second time I've seen this proposed. As I asked the first person, what single rational reason would the Rangers trade Derek Holland for John Danks? Holland might be Danks' equal right now. And he's a WHOLE lot cheaper and under control for a WHOLE lot longer. Makes no sense whatsoever. The only thing that makes sense is that Holland is under control for cheap and really, that's all that needs to make sense. Danks is better than Holland though (hell Danks just had his worst season since his rookie year and still put up a better WHIP, while both playing at hitters parks. Danks is an old f*** compared to Holland as well... he and his one year oldness) but both have a ton of similarities in their numbers however. It wouldn't make sense for Texas in that regard (even if Danks was a guaranteed re-sign over there), but I always thought they had a soft spot for Danks who is homegrown and who they helped develop (that DVD rotation I remember was the s*** back in their old farm days). I doubt they trade Holland in any case however. Depends on what Texas believes what Danks can become. (or pretty much... if they view him as high as I do down the line) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 3, 2011 -> 09:59 AM) The only thing that makes sense is that Holland is under control for cheap and really, that's all that needs to make sense. Danks is better than Holland though (hell Danks just had his worst season since his rookie year and still put up a better WHIP, while both playing at hitters parks. Danks is an old f*** compared to Holland as well... he and his one year oldness) but both have a ton of similarities in their numbers however. It wouldn't make sense for Texas in that regard (even if Danks was a guaranteed re-sign over there), but I always thought they had a soft spot for Danks who is homegrown and who they helped develop (that DVD rotation I remember was the s*** back in their old farm days). I doubt they trade Holland in any case however. Depends on what Texas believes what Danks can become. (or pretty much... if they view him as high as I do down the line) Their career paths have been rather similar. Both got their asses kicked pretty good initially (Danks in '07, Holland in '09). Danks came back with a great '08 (his career year) and had been pretty steady until last year. Holland was flashing considerable improvement in 2010 before he got injured. '11 was his 'breakout' year so to speak. Even if Danks is better right now, it's certainly not by much. And like you said, the money/team control difference makes this proposal moot. It's just not going to happen. Edited December 3, 2011 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 texas will be very much talking to w sox next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 3, 2011 -> 09:41 AM) This is the second time I've seen this proposed. As I asked the first person, what single rational reason would the Rangers trade Derek Holland for John Danks? Holland might be Danks' equal right now. And he's a WHOLE lot cheaper and under control for a WHOLE lot longer. Makes no sense whatsoever. Because Texas was going to do Danks-for-Holland last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 4, 2011 -> 03:51 AM) Because Texas was going to do Danks-for-Holland last year. I don't recall this at all. If so, make that f***up #4375375362347234734 by KW since 2008. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 4, 2011 -> 11:03 AM) I don't recall this at all. If so, make that f***up #4375375362347234734 by KW since 2008. Kenny asked for Holland straight up for Danks. The Rangers said f*** no, we need more than that if I recall correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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