VictoryMC98 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Pick 14 plan (get it?) replaces the Ozzie Plan. So much for Konerko going anywhere. What about they invent a Robin plan? You get to sit behind a pole, have no idea what is going on, and wonder why am I here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 30, 2011 -> 08:26 AM) teammktgreport teammarketingreport White Sox dropping full season ticket plans 31 percent in 2012. Sox had seventh-biggest attendance drop in 2011 at 2,386 per game. I am seeing this reported a lot, and it isn't true. Gonzo got it wrong too. This is misleading numbers. Ticket plans are not dropping 31% or anything close to that. See, the Sox sent out a flyer to season holders, and they used what I'd call a trick of numbers. See, the flyer has a page that says "All seat locations have lowered pricing from the 2011 season", and then it shows a chart of % of savings. Those numbers range from 17% to 32% for full season holders. But if you read the fine print on the flyer, it says "Savings and percentages are calculated from the basline individual ticket price". See what they did there? The discount for season tickets was ALREADY in that territory to begin with. For example, our % of savings on the flyer says 23%. Except last year, that number was already 21%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 well, according to this press release ( http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/artic...ws&c_id=cws ), the sox have indeed slashed full season ticket costs as high as 31%. are you calling brooks a liar? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 well, according to this press release ( http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/artic...ws&c_id=cws ), the sox have indeed slashed full season ticket costs as high as 31%. are you calling brooks a liar? I'm still mad at Brooks for the money and time I wasted to watch him play s***ty basketball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Nov 30, 2011 -> 03:39 PM) well, according to this press release ( http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/artic...ws&c_id=cws ), the sox have indeed slashed full season ticket costs as high as 31%. are you calling brooks a liar? If you read that article more carefully, you will see exactly what I am talking about. Tickets have NOT been slashed as high as 31%. Discounts from 2011 INDIVIDUAL GAME TICKETS when PART OF SEASON TICKET PLANS are discounted as much as 31% - but they were already discounted close to that much to begin with, and are every year - that is part of the appeal of a season ticket plan. Read the words in the article you linked carefuly, and you will see this is the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 30, 2011 -> 04:00 PM) If you read that article more carefully, you will see exactly what I am talking about. Tickets have NOT been slashed as high as 31%. Discounts from 2011 INDIVIDUAL GAME TICKETS when PART OF SEASON TICKET PLANS are discounted as much as 31% - but they were already discounted close to that much to begin with, and are every year - that is part of the appeal of a season ticket plan. Read the words in the article you linked carefuly, and you will see this is the case. I still have my 2011 STH price list, and a full season plan for the upper reserve was $1414 in 2011. The 2012 cost is $974, a savings of $440 at the SEASON TICKET LEVEL. This is not factoring the single game prices. The STH per game price in upper reserve in 2011 over 17 on average. The 2012 price averages to over $12 a game. That's almost a 1/3 off at, again, the STH price. Of course, the Upper Reserve seats are harder to sell for most games, so that discount should be steeper. But perhaps the sox math isnt as fuzzy as you wish for it to be. They're lowering prices, yet people still find ways to b**** about it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Dec 1, 2011 -> 09:06 AM) I still have my 2011 STH price list, and a full season plan for the upper reserve was $1414 in 2011. The 2012 cost is $974, a savings of $440 at the SEASON TICKET LEVEL. This is not factoring the single game prices. The STH per game price in upper reserve in 2011 over 17 on average. The 2012 price averages to over $12 a game. That's almost a 1/3 off at, again, the STH price. Of course, the Upper Reserve seats are harder to sell for most games, so that discount should be steeper. But perhaps the sox math isnt as fuzzy as you wish for it to be. They're lowering prices, yet people still find ways to b**** about it! That's definitely interesting about the Upper Reserve prices. Of course, it also means that your discount in 2011 over individual tickets was a whopping $15 total, which is 1%. So your season ticket package last year only saved you 1% over buying all the tickets individually. Are you sure that's right? If so, that's bizarre, because our UD Premium Box tickets were at a 21% discount over individual ticket prices. So I'd agree that, if your $1414 figure is right, they must have realized their error and corrected it. Who is going to buy Upper Reserve season tickets, whcih are hard to sell, if they are only 1% cheaper than buying the games individually? The UD Premium Boxes went down only 2%, and the LD prices, as people have stated, went down a little or not at all. So it looks like the Upper Reserve is the place where it got severly discounted, and nowhere else. Also to be clear, I am not b****ing about the prices going down. I'm quite happy they went down 2%, I was figuring they would stay the same. I am just pointing out the fuzzy math they use - which, again, is right there in the article and in the season ticket flyer - makes it seem like every section is going down 17 to 32%. Which is not the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 1, 2011 -> 09:50 AM) That's definitely interesting about the Upper Reserve prices. Of course, it also means that your discount in 2011 over individual tickets was a whopping $15 total, which is 1%. So your season ticket package last year only saved you 1% over buying all the tickets individually. Are you sure that's right? If so, that's bizarre, because our UD Premium Box tickets were at a 21% discount over individual ticket prices. So I'd agree that, if your $1414 figure is right, they must have realized their error and corrected it. Who is going to buy Upper Reserve season tickets, whcih are hard to sell, if they are only 1% cheaper than buying the games individually? The UD Premium Boxes went down only 2%, and the LD prices, as people have stated, went down a little or not at all. So it looks like the Upper Reserve is the place where it got severly discounted, and nowhere else. Also to be clear, I am not b****ing about the prices going down. I'm quite happy they went down 2%, I was figuring they would stay the same. I am just pointing out the fuzzy math they use - which, again, is right there in the article and in the season ticket flyer - makes it seem like every section is going down 17 to 32%. Which is not the case. The sox flyer from last season had a savings of $268 from posted individual game prices(not factoring dynamic pricing or discount codes). So the box office price(assuming you got the same price level for every game with no discount or dynamic price) of the UDR was $1682. With an average price of $20.76 a game. The UDR full season plan in 2011's per game average was $17.45. A savings of over 3 dollars per game. Yes, i know this is an average, and that the premier and cubs games skew it a bit. But the 2012 per game average is $8 LESS than the 2011 box office price. And $5 less than the 2011 STH price. These are signifigant discounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Dec 1, 2011 -> 12:45 PM) The sox flyer from last season had a savings of $268 from posted individual game prices(not factoring dynamic pricing or discount codes). So the box office price(assuming you got the same price level for every game with no discount or dynamic price) of the UDR was $1682. With an average price of $20.76 a game. The UDR full season plan in 2011's per game average was $17.45. A savings of over 3 dollars per game. Yes, i know this is an average, and that the premier and cubs games skew it a bit. But the 2012 per game average is $8 LESS than the 2011 box office price. And $5 less than the 2011 STH price. These are signifigant discounts. I feel like we've derailed this thread, but I have to point out your math is impossible. If your 2011 tickets were $1414, and are now $974... and according to the flyer, which I also have, the $974 represents a 32% savings over 2011 individual tickets, again. right from the flyer... then that has to mean the total cost of your plan's individual tickets in 2011 was $1429 - only $15 more than the $1414 you paid. Do the math. One of your numbers, or one of the numbers the Sox published, has to be wrong. Anyway, base point remains, the Sox are very carefully and subtly trying to give the impression that people's tickets are going to 17 to 32%. And that is simple not the case. But I am also perfectly happy with my 2% decrease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 2011 Full Season ticket package price vs. 2012 Full Season ticket package price. Level 2011 Price 2012 Price Premium Club Box 3682 3682 Club Box 3439 3439 Prem. Lower Box 3682 3682 Lower Box 3034 2918 Lower Reserve 2710 2432 Bleachers 2548 2270 Prem. Upper Box 1900 1865 Upper Box 1738 1460 Upper Reserve 1414 974 Parking remains the same. $1458 for 81 games. $18 per game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 1, 2011 -> 12:50 PM) I feel like we've derailed this thread, but I have to point out your math is impossible. If your 2011 tickets were $1414, and are now $974... and according to the flyer, which I also have, the $974 represents a 32% savings over 2011 individual tickets, again. right from the flyer... then that has to mean the total cost of your plan's individual tickets in 2011 was $1429 - only $15 more than the $1414 you paid. Do the math. One of your numbers, or one of the numbers the Sox published, has to be wrong. Anyway, base point remains, the Sox are very carefully and subtly trying to give the impression that people's tickets are going to 17 to 32%. And that is simple not the case. But I am also perfectly happy with my 2% decrease. I added the 1414 ticket cost to the savings listed on the brochure, which was $268. That cost is $1682. and then divided it by 81. Simple math. Also 1414 MINUS 974 is 440. that's close to 30% savings off the actual STH cost. Edited December 1, 2011 by ewokpelts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 1, 2011 -> 12:50 PM) I feel like we've derailed this thread, but I have to point out your math is impossible. If your 2011 tickets were $1414, and are now $974... and according to the flyer, which I also have, the $974 represents a 32% savings over 2011 individual tickets, again. right from the flyer... then that has to mean the total cost of your plan's individual tickets in 2011 was $1429 - only $15 more than the $1414 you paid. Do the math. One of your numbers, or one of the numbers the Sox published, has to be wrong. Anyway, base point remains, the Sox are very carefully and subtly trying to give the impression that people's tickets are going to 17 to 32%. And that is simple not the case. But I am also perfectly happy with my 2% decrease. Yes, definitely. I'm getting a headache reading the back and forth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Dec 1, 2011 -> 12:52 PM) 2011 Full Season ticket package price vs. 2012 Full Season ticket package price. Level 2011 Price 2012 Price Premium Club Box 3682 3682 (0%) Club Box 3439 3439 (0%) Prem. Lower Box 3682 3682 (0%) Lower Box 3034 2918 (3%) Lower Reserve 2710 2432 (10%) Bleachers 2548 2270 (11%) Prem. Upper Box 1900 1865 (2%) Upper Box 1738 1460 (16%) Upper Reserve 1414 974 (31%) Parking remains the same. $1458 for 81 games. $18 per game. I give up on trying to show you the math - one of your numbers has to be wrong. And Milkman is going to hurt me. That said... Looks like Upper Reserve won the lotto for 2012 in terms of actual decrease in ST - everyone else had small, or no, decreases (I added the % for you). Glad you are happy. Enjoy your cheaper tickets! -----So, to re-route the thread a bit... Here is something others might care about though, as I ran across this doing the math - how much are the Sox really losing here, in terms of STH revenue? Might give a clue as to payroll... Assuming the number of STH in each section is roughly the same, the total % drop in season ticket revenue will be 5.9%. However, what is not counted in the list above is the really big moneymakers - suites, united scout seats, Jim Beam club. Those prices, according to the Sox, are staying the same. Furthermore, there are higher % of STH in the pricier sections listed above, than the other ones. So in reality, the actual drop in revenue per STH is probably more like 2 to 3%, max. The wildcard is, will the lower prices mean being able to keep the total number of STH stable? Hard to tell that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 1, 2011 -> 01:22 PM) I give up on trying to show you the math - one of your numbers has to be wrong. And Milkman is going to hurt me. That said... Looks like Upper Reserve won the lotto for 2012 in terms of actual decrease in ST - everyone else had small, or no, decreases (I added the % for you). Glad you are happy. Enjoy your cheaper tickets! -----So, to re-route the thread a bit... Here is something others might care about though, as I ran across this doing the math - how much are the Sox really losing here, in terms of STH revenue? Might give a clue as to payroll... Assuming the number of STH in each section is roughly the same, the total % drop in season ticket revenue will be 5.9%. However, what is not counted in the list above is the really big moneymakers - suites, united scout seats, Jim Beam club. Those prices, according to the Sox, are staying the same. Furthermore, there are higher % of STH in the pricier sections listed above, than the other ones. So in reality, the actual drop in revenue per STH is probably more like 2 to 3%, max. The wildcard is, will the lower prices mean being able to keep the total number of STH stable? Hard to tell that. This is from a sox email trying to get new customers. You might like the bolded part: 2012 is right around the corner, and before you know it, baseball season will be back! We currently have seat locations available for our 81-game Full Season Plan, our 27-game Split Season Plans and our Pick 14 Plan. Most seats have been priced to represent a reduction from the 2011 ticket package prices. Full Season Plans have been reduced up to 31 percent from 2011 Season Ticket pricing, and Split Season Plans have been reduced up to 23 percent. In fact we have Pick 14 Plans available for as little as $202 per seat, Split Season Plans available for as little as $420 per seat and Full Season Plans for as little as $974 per seat, so there is sure to be a plan to fit your schedule and budget. Nothing demonstrates the pride and commitment of being a White Sox fan more than becoming a Season Ticket Holder. Please feel free to contact me if you’re interested in going over additional pricing information or available seat locations for any of our Season Ticket Plans. We would love to have you join the roster of White Sox Season Ticket Holders jus sayin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Dec 1, 2011 -> 12:52 PM) 2011 Full Season ticket package price vs. 2012 Full Season ticket package price. Level 2011 Price 2012 Price Premium Club Box 3682 3682 Club Box 3439 3439 Prem. Lower Box 3682 3682 Lower Box 3034 2918 Lower Reserve 2710 2432 Bleachers 2548 2270 Prem. Upper Box 1900 1865 Upper Box 1738 1460 Upper Reserve 1414 974 Parking remains the same. $1458 for 81 games. $18 per game. Did you get the email about buying parking before 12/31? There's a new $2 city tax or something. I never had parking so it just glanced at it, but if you don't buy before then, I believe the parking is increasing, although the Sox won't see any of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 7, 2011 -> 09:19 PM) Did you get the email about buying parking before 12/31? There's a new $2 city tax or something. I never had parking so it just glanced at it, but if you don't buy before then, I believe the parking is increasing, although the Sox won't see any of it. yes. i got that email a few days ago. I talked to my rep about it, and he said the sox arent pleased, but at least they have a way to save some fans the extra expense. The parking tax Rahm-Bo is imposing was designed to impact downtown commuters. The average weekday game for the Sox, Bulls, Hawks are night games. And the avg weekday cub game is 1:20, whih has little impact to rush hour traffic. This a cash grab by Emmanuel becuase he knows the teams cant say much to fight it, especially the sox. And for fans, it means that weekday games will cost as much as $25 to park, which may be fatal to the sox, as it appears people keep b****ing about parking. Edited December 8, 2011 by ewokpelts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyuen Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Dec 1, 2011 -> 12:52 PM) 2011 Full Season ticket package price vs. 2012 Full Season ticket package price. Level 2011 Price 2012 Price Premium Club Box 3682 3682 Club Box 3439 3439 Prem. Lower Box 3682 3682 Lower Box 3034 2918 Lower Reserve 2710 2432 Bleachers 2548 2270 Prem. Upper Box 1900 1865 Upper Box 1738 1460 Upper Reserve 1414 974 Parking remains the same. $1458 for 81 games. $18 per game. parking is actually going up $2 a game next year due to a new city tax. if you pay it now you won't be affected by the tax which takes affect in 2012. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.