Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 It's going to be pretty sad when Ryan Braun gets the MVP over Matt Kemp. And I love me some Ryan Braun. But Kemp was clearly the best player in the NL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 QUOTE (chw42 @ Nov 21, 2011 -> 02:17 PM) Bautista had a .730 OPS in the second half. Ellsbury should have ran away with the thing. Don't know where you got your numbers from. Bautista had a .896 OPS the second half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 21, 2011 -> 03:29 PM) We just need a Babe Ruth Award already for the leagues best hitter, then MVP won't be an issue and can go to THE best player in each league without ignoring hitters for the entire year if a pitcher wins (like this). QUOTE (Felix @ Nov 21, 2011 -> 03:32 PM) But Babe Ruth was a pitcher too QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 21, 2011 -> 03:34 PM) So does the Babe Ruth award go to the best hitting pitcher or best pitching hitter? I'm so confused... QUOTE (chw42 @ Nov 21, 2011 -> 03:36 PM) Just call it the Ted Williams award then. QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Nov 21, 2011 -> 03:38 PM) Under the current qualifications, Verlander earned it. There needs to be a Best Hitter Award though. How about we just call it the Hank Aaron award, note that it already exists, and that Kemp and Bautista already won it this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 21, 2011 -> 06:02 PM) How about we just call it the Hank Aaron award, note that it already exists, and that Kemp and Bautista already won it this year? The problem is that nobody cares about anything other than the Cy Young and MVP (somewhat the ROY's). One of the two major awards needs to be solely for pitching and the other solely for hitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 21, 2011 -> 07:35 PM) The problem is that nobody cares about anything other than the Cy Young and MVP (somewhat the ROY's). One of the two major awards needs to be solely for pitching and the other solely for hitting. No one caring about the award doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Then add a hitting award, then the MVP would fit nicely for either a hitter or pitcher. And shouldn't we factor in defense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 21, 2011 -> 03:01 PM) Don't know where you got your numbers from. Bautista had a .896 OPS the second half. Hmm, I guess I got fed wrong information from someone. I should have double checked. It's an absolute shame that Pedro didn't win the MVP in 99, but Verlander somehow does in 2011. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 http://www.freep.com/article/20111122/SPOR...troit+Tigers%29 Tigers ace Justin Verlander appeared on 27 of 28 ballots for American League MVP, but was omitted by Jim Ingraham of the Herald-News in Ohio, who voted Toronto outfielder Jose Bautista first. Ingraham doesn't think pitchers should be eligible. "If I thought pitchers should be eligible, I would have voted him No. 1," he told the Free Press. "Verlander pitched in 21% of his team's games. If this was the NFL, that would be three games. I know it's two different sports, but I can't see a quarterback winning the MVP if he appeared in only three games." Ingraham said he decided on his no-pitchers stance during his deliberations over the award in the final weeks of the season. "People are upset because they think I don't realize he's a great pitcher," he said. "To me that's not the issue. The issue is should he be eligible for the MVP? "I appreciate the greatness of Verlander. I disagree that pitchers should be included in the MVP voting." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 ckamka Christopher Kamka Let the records show that the only guy to hit HR off Verlander & Weaver (1 and 2 in AL Cy Young vote) in 2011 was Adam Dunn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 jaysonst Jayson Stark Big myth is that the Cy Young was invented in 1956 so starting pitchers wouldn't win MVP. From 1956-85, 23 starters got 1st-place MVP votes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 22, 2011 -> 08:01 AM) ckamka Christopher Kamka Let the records show that the only guy to hit HR off Verlander & Weaver (1 and 2 in AL Cy Young vote) in 2011 was Adam Dunn. The only game I went to all year! Sox got 4 off of Verlander but still lost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 22, 2011 -> 08:01 AM) ckamka Christopher Kamka Let the records show that the only guy to hit HR off Verlander & Weaver (1 and 2 in AL Cy Young vote) in 2011 was Adam Dunn. Beast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 22, 2011 -> 08:01 AM) ckamka Christopher Kamka Let the records show that the only guy to hit HR off Verlander & Weaver (1 and 2 in AL Cy Young vote) in 2011 was Adam Dunn. So obviously, to fix Dunn, put him in against Verlander and Weaver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 22, 2011 -> 08:01 AM) ckamka Christopher Kamka Let the records show that the only guy to hit HR off Verlander & Weaver (1 and 2 in AL Cy Young vote) in 2011 was Adam Dunn. Seriously, I can't believe it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoryMC98 Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Under the current qualifications, Verlander earned it. There needs to be a Best Hitter Award though. It's called the Silver Slugger Awards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 21, 2011 -> 01:23 PM) I want a hitter to get the Cy Young once. If Bruce Chen got the Cy Young then the White Sox hitters should at least be Co-winners with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Nov 25, 2011 -> 01:12 PM) It's called the Silver Slugger Awards. No, those go position by position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoryMC98 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 No, those go position by position. For the Best Hitter at that position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Nov 27, 2011 -> 11:33 PM) For the Best Hitter at that position. Not the best hitter in the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 QUOTE (chw42 @ Nov 21, 2011 -> 02:36 PM) Just call it the Ted Williams award then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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