Whitewashed in '05 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 12:46 PM) Hmmm.... VERY interesting. I wonder how Konerko would feel about going to play for Ozzie again. I believe PK was one of the ones talking, saying Ozzie's act grew old and players were tired of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 QUOTE (Whitewashed in '05 @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 01:04 PM) I believe PK was one of the ones talking, saying Ozzie's act grew old and players were tired of it. That is not what he said...he said the circus going on between Ozzie and KW was what they were growing tired of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 QUOTE (Whitewashed in '05 @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 01:04 PM) I believe PK was one of the ones talking, saying Ozzie's act grew old and players were tired of it. That's what I was thinking too. But you know what? WINNING negates some of that, and the Marlins have a chance to win next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 PK isn't going anywhere. We still need some revenue from ticket sales, you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 01:07 PM) That is not what he said...he said the circus going on between Ozzie and KW was what they were growing tired of. You may be right. I don't remember exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Hey, where on the site is that detailed spreadsheet with the Sox payroll located? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 01:11 PM) PK isn't going anywhere. We still need some revenue from ticket sales, you know. At this point I hope they go and ask him if he wants to leave. At least let him contend in his last contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 01:11 PM) PK isn't going anywhere. We still need some revenue from ticket sales, you know. Most likely not, but that shouldn't be assumed with Kenny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 01:11 PM) PK isn't going anywhere. We still need some revenue from ticket sales, you know. Considering that the White Sox struggle at times to break 20-25K in the summer time weeknight games, I really don't think the fans are going to games because Konerko is on the team. I just think the fanbase is so small, the only way to draw large crowds is a strong start to the season and being a consistent winner - even this just keeps you in the mid 20's, maybe low 30's here and there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 QUOTE (spiderman @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 01:49 PM) Considering that the White Sox struggle at times to break 20-25K in the summer time weeknight games, I really don't think the fans are going to games because Konerko is on the team. I just think the fanbase is so small, the only way to draw large crowds is a strong start to the season and being a consistent winner - even this just keeps you in the mid 20's, maybe low 30's here and there. Seriously, who is really going to a game based on a single player (unless that player is Pujols or the like)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 I think you owe it to PK to trade him to a contender. I'm not a huge fan of him, but the guy has been a class act and will always be a Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 03:13 PM) I think you owe it to PK to trade him to a contender. I'm not a huge fan of him, but the guy has been a class act and will always be a Sox. Unless he's traded to another team, then he'll be a...whatever that team is. Edited December 8, 2011 by Milkman delivers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 De Aza Ramirez Quentin Konerko Dunn Viciedo Rios Beckham Morel That's a potent lineup if it works this year. I just hate the possibility that the last 4-5 spots might be complete black holes again. Trading Quentin and Ramirez sure leaves us with 1 sure major leaguer in Konerko. One. This lineup makes me want to vomit when I think about it but it also makes me want to believe it can work. I hate that. We used to smash the ball and not pitch but now we are the opposite. How can we address any of this without weakening our only asset in pitching? Trade Floyd? Who the hell can that really get us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 02:32 PM) De Aza Ramirez Quentin Konerko Dunn Viciedo Rios Beckham Morel So.... who's catching? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 QUOTE (Cali @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 04:39 PM) So.... who's catching? Ha my bad but you know what I mean. Point remains. It still looks good on paper even though it's a tease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 04:42 PM) Ha my bad but you know what I mean. Point remains. It still looks good on paper even though it's a tease. Take Quentin out of there and move AJ/Flowers in a bit lower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 05:32 PM) Trade Floyd? Who the hell can that really get us? A legitimate prospect at the least. Floyd's a 3 WAR starting pitcher signed below market value for the next two seasons if you include the '13 option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunofgold Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 LILLIBRIDGE is drawing a lot of interest. Probably teams think that he can start. I say trade him if you can get a good deal for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 QUOTE (sunofgold @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 09:27 PM) LILLIBRIDGE is drawing a lot of interest. Probably teams think that he can start. I say trade him if you can get a good deal for him. I'm a big fan of havi the elf get more playing time, but with dead weight Rios, De Aza, and Viciedo out there, there's not a lot of room for him, so I'd move him if I got a reasonable return (something more than minor league filler) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 08:30 PM) I'm a big fan of havi the elf get more playing time, but with dead weight Rios, De Aza, and Viciedo out there, there's not a lot of room for him, so I'd move him if I got a reasonable return (something more than minor league filler) Someone who can play SS well enough in case Ramirez gets dealt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (knightni @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 05:45 PM) Someone who can play SS well enough in case Ramirez gets dealt. I was thinking the same thing about Beckham. Edit: You're right thou - Ramirez makes more sense. Edited December 9, 2011 by hi8is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 11:41 AM) I think you folks should ask yourself a question... what kind of rebuild do you want? What Kenny appears to be going for... I think... is a 2-3 year timeline. That's what it looks like. He's asking for near-ready talent. The alternative to that is, you tear the whole damn thing down, and start building from the very bottom, up. But here is the catch - as enticing as that idea might seem, you have to look at history, and acknowledge that teams who attempt to go that cheap and young, typically don't create a contender in 2-3 years. They end up mired in for 5, or 10, or more years. Which do you want? Great point. I've lived through the era of make the playoffs every decade or so and it wasn't that great. I'm just not enamored with sitting on a boat load of minor league talent and hoping enough develop in 4-6-8 years to contend. So 2-3 years and hope a couple of guys rebound from career lows would be my choice. Plus, I think there is a core there that could make that happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunofgold Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 The thing is that the AL Central is pretty week divison. Cle, Min, and KC all seem to be rebuilding. Can you partially rebuild and partially compete? Rebuilding is just a nice way of saying cheaper and younger. If Detroit has an off year in 2012, then this division is going to be wide open. Personally, I would still try to compete in this division and at the same time get a little bit younger and cheaper each successive year. We have trimmed some payroll already. We can afford to trade Quentin since we have Viciedo at lower price. And we can trade Thornton b/c we hope to have younger lefties available who can be placed in the bullpen. Buerhle, Pierre, Vizquel are all gone. I say keep Danks and Floyd. At least give yourself a solid rotation and see what happens. Next year Peavy's contract comes off. The following year I believe AJ and Konerko's contracts come off. Trade a couple of players each year when you have younger but hopefully equally or more talented replacements. Trade Floyd and/or Danks and then we definitely cannot even compete in a weak division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 QUOTE (sunofgold @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 10:31 PM) The thing is that the AL Central is pretty week divison. Cle, Min, and KC all seem to be rebuilding. Can you partially rebuild and partially compete? Rebuilding is just a nice way of saying cheaper and younger. If Detroit has an off year in 2012, then this division is going to be wide open. Personally, I would still try to compete in this division and at the same time get a little bit younger and cheaper each successive year. We have trimmed some payroll already. We can afford to trade Quentin since we have Viciedo at lower price. And we can trade Thornton b/c we hope to have younger lefties available who can be placed in the bullpen. Buerhle, Pierre, Vizquel are all gone. I say keep Danks and Floyd. At least give yourself a solid rotation and see what happens. Next year Peavy's contract comes off. The following year I believe AJ and Konerko's contracts come off. Trade a couple of players each year when you have younger but hopefully equally or more talented replacements. Trade Floyd and/or Danks and then we definitely cannot even compete in a weak division. Those two are just about done with their rebuilding, the Royals more so than the Indians. I would say the Royals are done rebuilding entirely and simply have to sign a few starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 12:09 AM) Those two are just about done with their rebuilding, the Royals more so than the Indians. I would say the Royals are done rebuilding entirely and simply have to sign a few starters. When has their rotation EVERY looked solid 1-5 going into a season? Not since the early 90's, the Kevin Appier/Jeff Montgomery years. Mostly the 70's and 80's, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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