Heads22 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 I think people are overvaluing both Santos and a closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Yeah, rival scouts have different opinions. I'm sure some of our scouts dont like him either. Scouts are about as accurate as weather men. Its still a crap shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 03:28 PM) Yeah, rival scouts have different opinions. I'm sure some of our scouts dont like him either. Scouts are about as accurate as weather men. Its still a crap shoot. Which is why I'm iffy about trading a cheap MLB-level player for him. Kw really needs to have nailed this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 That said, if this kid doesn't end up as a starter...I just give up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 KW already took a washed out shortstop and converted him to a valuable closer, and then traded him for a fairly well rated minor league pitcher. I like this move, the Sox spent very little and are adding more pieces to the minors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 01:05 PM) It isn't right. It was last year's ranking. BA hasn't done 2012 for the Jays yet. Sickels didn't have him on his top 20 last year, and he moved all the way to number 2 for 2012. I may have misheard the #, but he was talking about the Blue Jays' yet-to-be published 2012 top 30 prospects. He mentioned Molina would be the Sox's #2 and noted the difference between the two systems. Trust me, I hope I misheard him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 01:34 PM) I may have misheard the #, but he was talking about the Blue Jays' yet-to-be published 2012 top 30 prospects. He mentioned Molina would be the Sox's #2 and noted the difference between the two systems. Trust me, I hope I misheard him. If so, they really don't think he's going to end up a starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 01:30 PM) Which is why I'm iffy about trading a cheap MLB-level player for him. Kw really needs to have nailed this one. But the Sox have zero need for that player over the next couple of years, even if he is cheap. Maybe this isn't the best prospect KW could have targeted, but I can't fault him getting a prospect here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 01:33 PM) KW already took a washed out shortstop and converted him to a valuable closer, and then traded him for a fairly well rated minor league pitcher. I like this move, the Sox spent very little and are adding more pieces to the minors I was thinking the same, but no one likes to give our system credit for anything, so I wasn't going to try and take on the burden this time...no one is going to do the "Hudson + Holmberg for EJax + Teahen = Stewart" thing here... That being said, regardless of where he came from or how he got here, Santos' success was real, and I would have liked to have gotten another guy back just because of the attrition rate, as Balta has mentioned. Edited December 6, 2011 by iamshack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 01:25 PM) Yes. Phil Rodgers clearly knows more about this kid than the former Blue Jays' scout. 148 ks vs 18 bbs tells me the scout knows more. Yeah but AA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 01:36 PM) But the Sox have zero need for that player over the next couple of years, even if he is cheap. Maybe this isn't the best prospect KW could have targeted, but I can't fault him getting a prospect here. I'm confused...weren't you just on the other side of this thing about an hour ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 01:37 PM) I'm confused...weren't you just on the other side of this thing about an hour ago? I wasn't sure what to make of it at first. Still not 100% sure. I never disliked the move, I just didn't fully understand 'why Santos' because he's cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 01:36 PM) I was thinking the same, but no one likes to give our system credit for anything, so I wasn't going to try and take on the burden this time...no one is going to do the "Hudson + Holmberg for EJax + Teahen = Stewart" thing here... That being said, regardless of where he came from or how he got here, Santos' success was real, and I would have liked to have gotten another guy back just because of the attrition rate, as Balta has mentioned. It looked to me that the AL was starting to catch up to him 2nd half last year. He wasn't getting SO's at his usual rate. He wasn't wild...batters weren't swinging until he HAD to throw a strike. That's how I saw it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoryMC98 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Well now its time to see how KW handles a Rebuild.. I like the move, no need to keep Santos.... I think the only player non-tradeable is no-one, if the deal is right. One good move, build on this.. have several more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 01:43 PM) I wasn't sure what to make of it at first. Still not 100% sure. I never disliked the move, I just didn't fully understand 'why Santos' because he's cheap. He's a cheap closer. He's 29. He's good, not great. You have a ML ready replacement waiting in the wings. I'll give KW credit for at least recognizing the value of a 60 inning reliever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 01:48 PM) He's a cheap closer. He's 29. He's good, not great. You have a ML ready replacement waiting in the wings. I'll give KW credit for at least recognizing the value of a 60 inning reliever. Thanks for restating what I came to realize thanks to several posters itt, I guess? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 07:48 PM) He's a cheap closer. He's 29. He's good, not great. You have a ML ready replacement waiting in the wings. I'll give KW credit for at least recognizing the value of a 60 inning reliever. Did he, though? Did he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Santos will have a very tough year. He has to face the Yanks, R Sox, Rays and the Orioles (line up isn't all that bad) many times next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 01:48 PM) He's a cheap closer. He's 29. He's good, not great. You have a ML ready replacement waiting in the wings. I'll give KW credit for at least recognizing the value of a 60 inning reliever. I agree J4L. Santos was cheap and controlled, and a decent but not spectacular closer. With the re-pick of Frasor, plus Crain, Reed and others, one of the few areas the Sox had a surplus was good or better RH relievers. And in that crowd, Santos is the one most likely to get you this kind of return. I think I like the move. But I also think we'll need to take the entire offseason en masse into view before really knowing how well KW did with his plan. At this point, we still don't really know the plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Like most trades you have to wait a few years to see how it all works out. Where does Molina start next? AA or AAA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 01:50 PM) Did he, though? Did he? KW was not going to bend some GM over for Santos. If you recognized that, then you're not all that shocked or disappointed. The White Sox, as currently constructed, will struggle to win 70 games next year. Relievers are so volatile it's hilarious. May as well cash-in while you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 01:56 PM) Like most trades you have to wait a few years to see how it all works out. Where does Molina start next? AA or AAA? He only had a handful of starts last year at AA, and it's considered more of a prospect level, so I would assume he's at B'ham for at least a half year (trade deadline callup). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoryMC98 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 He only had a handful of starts last year at AA, and it's considered more of a prospect level, so I would assume he's at B'ham for at least a half year (trade deadline callup). I'd say see what the Sox do prior to ST.. He might be able to jump into the rotation next year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 01:59 PM) I'd say see what the Sox do prior to ST.. He might be able to jump into the rotation next year... No, that's no good. He should spend at least the first half of next year at AA. No reason at all to rush him. My fault. You did say next year. Not when next year. Edited December 6, 2011 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 01:56 PM) KW was not going to bend some GM over for Santos. If you recognized that, then you're not all that shocked or disappointed. The White Sox, as currently constructed, will struggle to win 70 games next year. Relievers are so volatile it's hilarious. May as well cash-in while you can. Until they trade Danks or Floyd, that's not correct at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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