hogan873 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 11:59 AM) http://seedlingstostars.com/2011/11/24/the...lina/#more-2791 I like the conclusion: Molina is an impressively polished pitcher who was one of 2011′s biggest breakout stars. With average to above-average stuff and otherworldly command, he should at least be an innings-eater and could be a very good #2 starter. After all, the biggest problem for command pitchers like this is the home run ball, a problem which shouldn’t show up for Molina thanks to his approach. That makes Molina a similar pitcher to Doug Fister statistically, and pitchers like that are bigtime assets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 11:59 AM) Don't be jealous. HAHA, you got me. Surprising I like the trade quite a bit. Clearly this signals that we are relying on our developed kids (Reed) and are looking to fill some holes in the near future (sp). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 12:00 PM) http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prosp...11/2612251.html From that it sounds like his peak would be a no 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Always nice to see fans of other teams upset that they're losing one of their favorite prospects. Big change from when Yanks fans were laughing at KW for acquiring Marquez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal #WhiteSox GM Ken Williams said first move would be telling. Gets top SP prospect Molina. But had Santos for 3/8.25M and 3 club options. #MLB #BlueJays like Molina, view him as potential mid-rotation starter. But they get 6 yrs of control on Santos on good contract. #WhiteSox #MLB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 6, 2011 Author Share Posted December 6, 2011 QUOTE (Whitewashed in '05 @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 12:03 PM) From that it sounds like his peak would be a no 3. Interesting, from the conclusion "With average to above-average stuff and otherworldly command, he should at least be an innings-eater and could be a very good #2 starter." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Gotta love the walk/K numbers on Molina. Like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Man that contract for Sanots is so team friendly. I hope he doesnt turn into the dominant closer for the Jays that I thought he could be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Sale, Molina and Stewart should all be in our rotation in 2013. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 12:03 PM) Always nice to see fans of other teams upset that they're losing one of their favorite prospects. Big change from when Yanks fans were laughing at KW for acquiring Marquez. Having good scouts will do that to your team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 I hate when people bash trades that don't know s*** about this guy.. Like the people on WSCR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 QUOTE (Whitewashed in '05 @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 12:01 PM) Looks like it's Crain's job to lose at closer now. I can't see them putting Matt back in there... if he's still here. I don't see them handing the job to Reed just yet. Jhan Ramirez will probably be in the mix as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 6, 2011 Author Share Posted December 6, 2011 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 12:05 PM) Sale, Molina and Stewart should all be in our rotation in 2013. I love the sounds of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 12:02 PM) If Buehrle, Danks, Quentin, and possibly others move on this off-season, with the farm system in the current state it's in, do you see this club really competing for a title, or even the division over the next 2-3 years? The logical answer is no, and if that's the case, having a top notch closer is nearly meaningless. I don't mind getting rid of santos, it's just that he was cheap. This doesn't make sense as a salary dump. I dunno, I'll just have to see how molina is. I don't have a problem with the deal, I just don't get it yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 My prediction for next trade is one of our starting pitchers to Reds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 01:06 PM) I love the sounds of this. The more I think about it, though, the more I want to keep Floyd/Danks, let Buehrle and Peavy walk. Danks/Floyd/Sale/Stewart/Molina could be pretty darn good. And overall, young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 06:06 PM) I don't mind getting rid of santos, it's just that he was cheap. This doesn't make sense as a salary dump. I dunno, I'll just have to see how molina is. I don't have a problem with the deal, I just don't get it yet. It's not a salary dump, it was simply just trying to get someone you like by using Santos, who actually had value. This is something KW has rarely done in the past, so it will be interesting to see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 12:05 PM) Sale, Molina and Stewart should all be in our rotation in 2013. With 22 innings in AA? That's kind of rushing him, don't you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 12:06 PM) Jhan Ramirez will probably be in the mix as well. Jhan Marinez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 06:08 PM) The more I think about it, though, the more I want to keep Floyd/Danks, let Buehrle and Peavy walk. Danks/Floyd/Sale/Stewart/Molina could be pretty darn good. And overall, young. I think it's way more likely Buehrle's at the front of rotation and Danks is gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHITESOXRANDY Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal #WhiteSox GM Ken Williams said first move would be telling. Gets top SP prospect Molina. But had Santos for 3/8.25M and 3 club options. #MLB #BlueJays like Molina, view him as potential mid-rotation starter. But they get 6 yrs of control on Santos on good contract. #WhiteSox #MLB Exactly. Another dumbass move for KW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Is Nestor the only piece? I would have thought you could squeeze another fringy piece in for Santos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 QUOTE (Whitewashed in '05 @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 01:08 PM) With 22 innings in AA? That's kind of rushing him, don't you think? Perhaps. But look at how quickly guys with incredible control rise up (Daniel Hudson, Addison Reed)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 12:07 PM) My prediction for next trade is one of our starting pitchers to Reds I agree with you on what we are trading, no idea on the target club. Danks and Floyd have to be in play here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 CST_soxvan Daryl Van Schouwen Ken w: 90-96 mph, hits both sides of plate, plus slider, splitter. Great command CST_soxvan Daryl Van Schouwen Did not anticipate would take sergio to get him. whitesox Chicago White Sox KW on Molina: We are very happy we were able to acquire him. He was on a very short target list. MDGonzales Mark Gonzales "We had no intention of trading him" said Santos was caught off guard but understood ChuckGarfien Chuck Garfien KW says Molina needs "a little seasoning" but could force his way onto the roster soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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