VictoryMC98 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Part of the mess was created through the media by Cowley himself. Yes, it was the media who managed to put this overpaid roster together... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 08:45 AM) Yes, it was the media who managed to put this overpaid roster together... No, but they had a hand in convincing it to tear itself apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 07:53 AM) No, but they had a hand in convincing it to tear itself apart. Spoonfed by the manager himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowand's rowdies Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 07:13 AM) Let me make this easy. f*** Cowley. f*** Danks. f*** Danks' talentless brother. f*** Peavy. Very well said. They aren't champions. They've let us down. Coop won us a series. He is regarded as one of the top pitching coaches in baseball, no arguing that. The fact that his job was on the line is the pitching staff's fault. Peavy and Danks were part of that. Stop reading Cowley, trade Danks after the market runs dry for whatever we can get, danks brother wasnt even selected in the rule 5 draft, and if we could...we would trade you in a second peavy if anyone would even take on half your undeserved contract. I side with Coop, and milkman. Let's move on from these future opponents and out of baseball players the DDP trio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 So...random thought... If Cooper was angling for an extension early in 2011, why wasn't it just given to him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 I get the feeling Danks isnt going to be happy how Cowley spin his leading questions to make him look this way today. Joe and Beckham got into a mini twitter fight last night already when Joe said Becks wouldnt have a good year since he's a headcase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 09:38 AM) So...random thought... If Cooper was angling for an extension early in 2011, why wasn't it just given to him? Good question. He's worth many, many times whatever he makes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 07:13 AM) Let me make this easy. f*** Cowley. f*** Danks. f*** Danks' talentless brother. f*** Peavy. I like this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 07:35 AM) This is actually a really impressive article. If you're not paying 100% attention, you'll think that the "He was back to the same old Coop" quote is directly attributed to Danks. It takes some nimble writing to pull off a crossup like that. Yeah, I mean, I would bet some of those quotes are cleaned up Ozzie quotes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Excellent take on the story by Matt Spiegel... Joe Cowley is upset that the circus is gone. He would very much like you to believe that the circus is not gone. He loves the circus…the peanuts, the manager shot out of a cannon, the GM walking on a wire…the whole thing. The GM got off the wire, helped the manager load up the canon for one final shot down to Florida, and tried his best to take down the big top once and for all. Joe is distraught. Joe stands in the field where the circus once stood and screams at the heavens, hoping for someone, anyone, perhaps P.T. Reinsdorf himself, to put it back up. You see, the team is probably going to regress, definitely going to be cheaper, and is entering a dangerously public, awkward rebuilding phase. There needs to be the circus at least! If not that, than no one will care about the subject Joe knows the best! So he digs this story up, and stirs the pot. Now, the point is…do you miss the circus? Do you want the circus? We’ll hear from you at 9. Don Cooper and Jake Peavy are pissed at each other? Makes sense. Peavy is a serious underachiever here, who has put Coop and Kenny in an awful light, making that contract gamble look terrible, and making their continued optimism look delusional. If there’s any part of Jake blaming that infamous relief appearance on anyone other than himself, that’s downright shameful. He told Ozzie he was available, and begged for “one more inning” that day at least twice. Peavy was great that day, and afterwards he was so proud. Any fallout from that lies with him. He’s a bulldog to a fault, as I’ve described him since he got here. Don Cooper has a survival agenda. Joe’s made that point before, and it makes sense. Well, he survived. Now he’s there, and he’s those pitchers’ boss. So deal with it. And everyone agrees that Coop, though maybe a pain in the ass, is damn good at his job. So, you got a problem with him, pitchers? Tell him. Everyone is an adult, right? Tell him yourself,” unnamed pitcher source,” and move on. Tom Brady and his offensive coordinator screamed at each other on the field last weekend, making an entire media nation stand up and say “it’s just how it happens on a team…people get excited.” No big deal. Neither is this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 08:56 AM) I like this one. As soon as I saw that you had the most recent post, I thought you'd be agreeing with mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 09:00 AM) As soon as I saw that you had the most recent post, I thought you'd be agreeing with mine. I am glad I did not disappoint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 08:59 AM) Excellent take on the story by Matt Spiegel... I Matt Speigal. He might be the second biggest Jay Cowley hater out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 07:35 AM) This is actually a really impressive article. If you're not paying 100% attention, you'll think that the "He was back to the same old Coop" quote is directly attributed to Danks. It takes some nimble writing to pull off a crossup like that. Very impressive. If I didn't re-read that sentence twice, I would have totally thought Danks said that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 09:05 AM) I Matt Speigal. He might be the second biggest Jay Cowley hater out there. Depends on how you define "biggest". Based on sheer mass, he probably is the biggest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 10:08 AM) Very impressive. If I didn't re-read that sentence twice, I would have totally thought Danks said that. Same here, that's why my post said exactly that. I read the first bit of comments here, then reread the article, and had an "oh, wait..." reaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 09:08 AM) Depends on how you define "biggest". Based on sheer mass, he probably is the biggest. True. He probably has me by a 100 pounds or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 (edited) McNeil had a nice jab at Cowley: "He's usually busy covering the Miami Marlins for the Chicago Sun Times..." McNeil & Spiegel are trying to get Coop or Peavy on. Edited December 14, 2011 by Athomeboy_2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 09:10 AM) Same here, that's why my post said exactly that. I read the first bit of comments here, then reread the article, and had an "oh, wait..." reaction. Yeah, if I'm Danks I'd probably find the right person to complain to at the Sun-Times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 08:37 AM) Cowley is up in White Sox business and he doesn't give a damn. Another solid report. If by solid you mean attributing unnamed sources quotes to Danks, then yes. very solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 09:18 AM) If by solid you mean attributing unnamed sources quotes to Danks, then yes. very solid. nothing like calling your own report solid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 12:24 AM) Cowley is a joke... he has to be one of the worst writers out there... next to Phil Rogers that is. I don't get the Phil Rogers crucifixtion. I agree, Crowley is a poor man's Jay Marriotti. Rogers' work is pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Should. Have. Cleaned. House. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 With the Sun Times still struggling to survive, and Sox fans flocking away from their paper (used to be reliably a Sox fans' paper) to the Trib, it is only a matter of time before they either fire Cowley or make him a columnist, and put in an inexpensive newbie (who will probably be a much better journalist) to be the beat writer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 QUOTE (oldsox @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 09:32 AM) I don't get the Phil Rogers crucifixtion. I agree, Crowley is a poor man's Jay Marriotti. Rogers' work is pretty good. Phil Rogers is professional, and an adult, so he certainly has that over Cowley. And Rogers is a skilled writer. But Rogers just... doesn't know present-day baseball very well. That's always been the beef with him, he doesn't get the numbers or the dynamics of the modern game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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