wallyburger Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Twins signed Willingham and these 2 guys are possibly available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 QUOTE (wallyburger @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 08:37 AM) Twins signed Willingham and these 2 guys are possibly available. The White Sox do not have need of a below average defensive OF/backup 1b (Cuddyer) or a left handed DH. They have too many of both and are spending way too much money on both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Awful fits, and we aren't spending money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 08:42 AM) Awful fits, and we aren't spending money. Right on both counts.............Sox will not be spending money period! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Rockies are after Cuddy in big way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 No No No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 02:38 PM) The White Sox do not have need of a below average defensive OF/backup 1b (Cuddyer) or a left handed DH. They have too many of both and are spending way too much money on both. Twins jettison players and the Myth continues. We don't need to sign these fellows for exactly the reason Balta states. Butm the sad thing is we might get beter production from the castoffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 The White Sox still need to pare payroll, not add to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 With De Aza and Viciedo playing almost everyday, there's really no place for Kubel although he would look good in the middle of the line up. I think Cuddyer would obviously help the Sox but they aren't going to add what he's going to be paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 As long as they don't end up with another AL Central team, I don't care what happens with Cuddyer and Kubel. It's when there is a direct exchange (Thome to Minnesota, or choosing Dunn versus Victor Martinez, Cabrera to DET because they had better prospects at the time) and we come out on the losing end that our team is most directly impacted. In a way, their losing Crain to us really did show up with the results last year...their bullpen was a total trainwreck. It's just that we couldn't leverage it because of our horrid offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 06:24 PM) With De Aza and Viciedo playing almost everyday, there's really no place for Kubel although he would look good in the middle of the line up. I think Cuddyer would obviously help the Sox but they aren't going to add what he's going to be paid. Yep we are rebuilding. We won't be adding veterans any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 07:06 PM) As long as they don't end up with another AL Central team, I don't care what happens with Cuddyer and Kubel. It's when there is a direct exchange (Thome to Minnesota, or choosing Dunn versus Victor Martinez, Cabrera to DET because they had better prospects at the time) and we come out on the losing end that our team is most directly impacted. In a way, their losing Crain to us really did show up with the results last year...their bullpen was a total trainwreck. It's just that we couldn't leverage it because of our horrid offense. They were interested in Martinez, but never even made an offer. Detroit made their offer and he signed pretty much immediately. Williams and company pretty much said this right after he signed, almost verbatum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 16, 2011 -> 06:35 AM) They were interested in Martinez, but never even made an offer. Detroit made their offer and he signed pretty much immediately. Williams and company pretty much said this right after he signed, almost verbatum. Wasn't Martinez cheaper than Dunn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 16, 2011 -> 07:30 PM) Wasn't Martinez cheaper than Dunn? 4/48 for Martinez I believe, 4/56 for Done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 I really do see the White Sox adding any free agents until well after the New Year's when bargain basement shopping would be done (maybe not even then), AND the White Sox have executed their off-season plan, presumably moving Carlos Quentin and possibly a few pitchers amongst Danks/Floyd/Thornton. If they do trade away a few of their own, they may have just enough loose change to sign a couple veterans for cheap, 1 year deals to provide some semblance of depth (maybe a 4th OF behind De Aza, Viceido and Rios although they may just stick with Lillibridge) although I still think that what is already here will make up nearly all of the 25 man roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 QUOTE (spiderman @ Dec 16, 2011 -> 09:22 PM) I really do see the White Sox adding any free agents until well after the New Year's when bargain basement shopping would be done (maybe not even then), AND the White Sox have executed their off-season plan, presumably moving Carlos Quentin and possibly a few pitchers amongst Danks/Floyd/Thornton. If they do trade away a few of their own, they may have just enough loose change to sign a couple veterans for cheap, 1 year deals to provide some semblance of depth (maybe a 4th OF behind De Aza, Viceido and Rios although they may just stick with Lillibridge) although I still think that what is already here will make up nearly all of the 25 man roster. The only direction that's logical for a FA is trading Thornton and then replacing him with another "journeyman" type in the realm of Arthur Rhodes or Darren Oliver. Don't trust Ohman at all as the primary LH guy in late inning, pressure situations. We'll find out quickly enough if they want to waste a year of Santiago's development as a starter to make him the 2nd lefty in the pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 16, 2011 -> 09:28 PM) The only direction that's logical for a FA is trading Thornton and then replacing him with another "journeyman" type in the realm of Arthur Rhodes or Darren Oliver. Don't trust Ohman at all as the primary LH guy in late inning, pressure situations. We'll find out quickly enough if they want to waste a year of Santiago's development as a starter to make him the 2nd lefty in the pen. Do people really think Santiago is a starter candidate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 16, 2011 -> 08:28 PM) The only direction that's logical for a FA is trading Thornton and then replacing him with another "journeyman" type in the realm of Arthur Rhodes or Darren Oliver. Don't trust Ohman at all as the primary LH guy in late inning, pressure situations. We'll find out quickly enough if they want to waste a year of Santiago's development as a starter to make him the 2nd lefty in the pen. Correct, that the's type of move I was thinking about, where you open a spot by moving a veteran and then either fill from within or with a cheap free agent. If the case of Thornton, I think they would give that role to Santiago, but it does at least open the possibility of a free agent move in the bullpen. I don't think trading Danks/Floyd would result in adding another starter since they do have enough options (Sale, Peavy, Danks/Floyd, Humber, Stewart, Axelrod), although the level of quality will certainly be the question about this group. Edited December 17, 2011 by spiderman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Cuddyer got overpaid big time. Kubel's a mediocre DH. They just seem glorified to us because the Twins usually kick our ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 16, 2011 -> 09:31 PM) Do people really think Santiago is a starter candidate? Just as much confidence in him as Stewart or Axelrod. And we DEFINITELY need at least one LH starter in our rotation if Buehrle and Danks are both gone. That's 50% of the reason he'll really be given a chance to prove himself this spring. He can get it up there 92-93-94 MPH, that's playable for a lefty, and quite comparable to Danks' heater. It would be crazy to argue he'll be as good or better, but if he can keep improving that screwball, it will have the same effect as the change-up does for both our lefties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Cuddayer > Rockies. Kubel > Diamondbacks. /thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorkChopExpress Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 16, 2011 -> 09:41 PM) Just as much confidence in him as Stewart or Axelrod. And we DEFINITELY need at least one LH starter in our rotation if Buehrle and Danks are both gone. That's 50% of the reason he'll really be given a chance to prove himself this spring. He can get it up there 92-93-94 MPH, that's playable for a lefty, and quite comparable to Danks' heater. It would be crazy to argue he'll be as good or better, but if he can keep improving that screwball, it will have the same effect as the change-up does for both our lefties. Sale is a lefty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 17, 2011 -> 02:31 AM) Do people really think Santiago is a starter candidate? I don't think I see Santiago as a starter. That out pitch he developed might make him effective for a couple innings or so. Problem is every minor league pitching prospect for the Sox is evaluated as a relief candidate. What's up with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Both have signed with NL West teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 -When a little girl asked each guy about the toughest hitter they face, Danks said Michael Cuddyer. When someone said he moved from Minnesota to Colorado, Danks pumped his fist. Riefert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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