Bmr31 Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 Batters are paid to put the ball in play. No matter how f***ing soft you hit it, or how f***ing hard, a hit is a hit. Stop with this excuse making, "it was a lucky hit". It just makes you look weak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 Who are you talking to Bmr? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 Batters are paid to put the ball in play. No matter how f***ing soft you hit it, or how f***ing hard, a hit is a hit. Stop with this excuse making, "it was a lucky hit". It just makes you look weak. I think it isn't so much a "lucky hit" as it is lucky that the defense was out of position, the pitcher missed his spot, the second baseman was on the move because of the runner going, etc. But, the batter, like you said, still has to get the ball in play and do his job. I hear you point and I like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 Some times you have a lucky hit...other times you get robbed, it all evens out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted August 11, 2003 Author Share Posted August 11, 2003 Who are you talking to Bmr? Well I saw a post, but i didnt want to quote it in fear of that person thinking his usual paranoid thoughts of someone out to get him. Anyway, ive seen it several times on here, and it kinda makes me sick. Just as many line drives get caught, as bloopers fall. It all evens out. Its not luck. Lots of times the players are good enough to place the ball just where they planned to........these are PROFESSIONALS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsgdf Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 There definitely are lucky hits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted August 11, 2003 Author Share Posted August 11, 2003 There definitely are lucky hits. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 Well I saw a post, but i didnt want to quote it in fear of that person thinking his usual paranoid thoughts of someone out to get him. Anyway, ive seen it several times on here, and it kinda makes me sick. Just as many line drives get caught, as bloopers fall. It all evens out. Its not luck. Lots of times the players are good enough to place the ball just where they planned to........these are PROFESSIONALS. I gotcha. It didn't make as much sense out of context, I guess. And BTW, I agree with you, the "lucky" hit is an artform of good hitters. You don't see bad hitters getting those kind of hits. The best example of it, once again, is Frank during the 90's. He had so many bad swing and check swing ducksnorts over the first basemans head it was sick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loaiza21 Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 Meh just call them snorts, gorks, whatever. As long as a White Sox player does it, I'm fine with it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 There are definitely lucky hits, and on the other side hard hit balls right at guys, or hang whiffms if you please, just like Jason said. Putting the ball in play is their job, sure, but that doesn't mean that everything in play is deserving of a hit and there are no lucky hits texas leaguer, duck snort, baltimore chop, swinging bunt... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moochpuppy Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 that person thinking his usual paranoid thoughts of someone out to get him. There's nobody here like that, is there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 Well I saw a post, but i didnt want to quote it in fear of that person thinking his usual paranoid thoughts of someone out to get him. I have absolutely no idea who you could be talking about! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 I have absolutely no idea who you could be talking about! ITS ME ISN'T IT???? STOP TALKING ABOUT ME!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox247 Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 Just like theres no such thing as a tie at first base right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 Just like theres no such thing as a tie at first base right? There isn't The ball has to beat the guy to the bag, there's no such thing as tie goes to the runner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 There isn't The ball has to beat the guy to the bag, there's no such thing as tie goes to the runner YES THERE IS!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 There isn't The ball has to beat the guy to the bag, there's no such thing as tie goes to the runner Are you saying it's impossible for them both to get there at the same time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loaiza21 Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 Oh boy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 You know what. I think I understand what he's saying now. He's saying that the ball either beats him or it doesn't. A tie does not beat the runner, so, the runner "beat" the throw and is therefore safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 NO THERE ISN'T!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 You know what. I think I understand what he's saying now. He's saying that the ball either beats him or it doesn't. A tie does not beat the runner, so, the runner "beat" the throw and is therefore safe. ding ding ding we have a winner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 Koch, am I right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 Rule 7.08(e) applies: "Any runner is out when he fails to reach the next base before a fielder tags him or the base." This is a judgement call, pure and simple. It is not debatable, appealable or protestable. Either the runner reached the base before the tag or s/he did not. If, in the umpire's judgement, the runner reached before the tag, then s/he is safe. If, in the umpire's judgement, the runner failed to reach before the tag, then s/he is out. There is nothing more to it than that. I repeat, there is no "Tie" call, only "Safe" or "Out". And that is a judgement call based on the umpire's determination as to whether or not the runner reached before the tag. So don't try to tell me that a tie goes to the runner. There is no tie, period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 Koch, am I right? yes you are. i'm an ump, i should know these things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 more stuff: Ties. With regard to whether a runner is safe or out, the term "tie" does not appear in any rulebook. We can, however, discern the intent of the rules makers. On plays at first base, the batter-runner is out if he or the base is tagged before he touches the base. If you translate that to mean "a tie goes to the runner," that is probably fair. However, here’s what the rule states regarding when a runner is out when he is forced to advance: "he fails to reach the next base before a fielder tags him or the base". Does that mean "a tie goes to the defense"? As an umpire, avoid any discussion of ties in those types of situations. Your explanation should simply be you either saw the runner out or safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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