Steff Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 NO THERE ISN'T!!!!!!!!!! YES THERE IS!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 YES THERE IS!!!!!!! steff, go find where it says "tie goes to the runner" in a rulebook please this isn't even an argument Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 Rule 7.08(e) applies: "Any runner is out when he fails to reach the next base before a fielder tags him or the base." This is a judgement call, pure and simple. It is not debatable, appealable or protestable. Either the runner reached the base before the tag or s/he did not. If, in the umpire's judgement, the runner reached before the tag, then s/he is safe. If, in the umpire's judgement, the runner failed to reach before the tag, then s/he is out. There is nothing more to it than that. I repeat, there is no "Tie" call, only "Safe" or "Out". And that is a judgement call based on the umpire's determination as to whether or not the runner reached before the tag. So don't try to tell me that a tie goes to the runner. There is no tie, period. Oh look at you.. pullin out the rule book.. Where's that crying whiney smiley when ya need him... I know the rule.. and I know it "does not happen" But just cause they don't call the tie doesn't mean there isn't one. :finger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 He makes a great arguement and I'm with him. There are ties. It happens, but as far as the rules and a call goes there is no such thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 Oh look at you.. pullin out the rule book.. Where's that crying whiney smiley when ya need him... I know the rule.. and I know it "does not happen":rolleyes: But just cause they don't call the tie doesn't mean there isn't one. :finger Steff i'm an ump, of course i pull out the rule book And there is no such thing as a tie goes to the runner. The ball beats you there or it doesn't. The runner beats the ball to the bag in your so called tie fantasy world I either say out or safe not "well coaches, yes it was a tie, so to promote offense we will award the base to the runner" Any other myths you guys want me to disprove? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 He makes a great arguement and I'm with him. There are ties. It happens, but as far as the rules and a call goes there is no such thing. We're both right eye.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 steff, go find where it says "tie goes to the runner" in a rulebook please this isn't even an argument Hot damn.. you said please!!! I know you wanted to say something else... like "b****... stfu" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 We're both right eye.. no we are not both right, there either is a such thing as "tie goes to the runner" or there isn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 steff, go find where it says "tie goes to the runner" in a rulebook please this isn't even an argument Hot damn.. you said please!!! I know you wanted to say something else... like "b****... stfu" yes i said please.... and i'm waiting i don't need to swear to prove my point, but i have to get rid of this ridiculous myth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 no we are not both right, there either is a such thing as "tie goes to the runner" or there isn't I hear ya, man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 So don't try to tell me that a tie goes to the runner. There is no tie, period. In your judgement of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 In your judgement of course. judgment of the rulebook, sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 judgment of the rulebook, sure No, judgement of the meaning of the phrase "Tie goes to the runner". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 No, judgement of the meaning of the phrase "Tie goes to the runner". no, judgment of "tie goes to the runner" is a term amatuer fans made up to describe a play at first base if it's not in the rule book, it doesn't apply. there's no interpretation or judgment necessary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 steff, go find where it says "tie goes to the runner" in a rulebook please this isn't even an argument Hot damn.. you said please!!! I know you wanted to say something else... like "b****... stfu" yes i said please.... and i'm waiting i don't need to swear to prove my point, but i have to get rid of this ridiculous myth I say it's so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted August 11, 2003 Author Share Posted August 11, 2003 What the hell did i start..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 no, judgment of "tie goes to the runner" is a term amatuer fans made up to describe a play at first base if it's not in the rule book, it doesn't apply. there's no interpretation or judgment necessary So then you are saying since it is not in the rule book it is physically impossible for a ball to reach the fielders mitt as the runner is stepping on the base? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 no, judgment of "tie goes to the runner" is a term amatuer fans made up to describe a play at first base if it's not in the rule book, it doesn't apply. there's no interpretation or judgment necessary So then you are saying since it is not in the rule book it is physically impossible for a ball to reach the fielders mitt as the runner is stepping on the base? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 steff, go find where it says "tie goes to the runner" in a rulebook please this isn't even an argument Hot damn.. you said please!!! I know you wanted to say something else... like "b****... stfu" yes i said please.... and i'm waiting i don't need to swear to prove my point, but i have to get rid of this ridiculous myth I say it's so. i guess steffs word overrides the rule book Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 no, judgment of "tie goes to the runner" is a term amatuer fans made up to describe a play at first base if it's not in the rule book, it doesn't apply. there's no interpretation or judgment necessary So then you are saying since it is not in the rule book it is physically impossible for a ball to reach the fielders mitt as the runner is stepping on the base? no i did not say that, never have but if that's the case, the runner beat the ball to the bag (or the ball failed to beat the runner) the rule isn't "tie goes to the runner", period Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 There isn't The ball has to beat the guy to the bag, there's no such thing as tie goes to the runner It seems you're the one who injected the "tie goes to the runner" into this when what you quoted was a tie at first base. Btw, "Tie goes to the runner" IS a judgement by the umpire and thus is covered by the rule book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 steff, go find where it says "tie goes to the runner" in a rulebook please this isn't even an argument Hot damn.. you said please!!! I know you wanted to say something else... like "b****... stfu" yes i said please.... and i'm waiting i don't need to swear to prove my point, but i have to get rid of this ridiculous myth I say it's so. i guess steffs word overrides the rule book Baaa haaa haaaa!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 There isn't The ball has to beat the guy to the bag, there's no such thing as tie goes to the runner It seems you're the one who injected the "tie goes to the runner" into this when what you quoted was a tie at first base. Btw, "Tie goes to the runner" IS a judgement by the umpire and thus is covered by the rule book. tie goes to the runner is not a judgment made by the umpire, where in the hell do you come up with this stuff? what you just said would compose a rule, not a judgment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 Ok.. I'm going to elaborate.. Man and ball get to first at exactly the same time. That's a tie..? Right? No, it's not in the rule book, but it's a tie. What do ya do..? 9 out of 10 umps would tell ya that they would call it to the runner UNLESS it's definitely an out - meaning the ball got there first in which case none of this matters. That's all I meant kochy... relax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 There isn't The ball has to beat the guy to the bag, there's no such thing as tie goes to the runner It seems you're the one who injected the "tie goes to the runner" into this when what you quoted was a tie at first base. Btw, "Tie goes to the runner" IS a judgement by the umpire and thus is covered by the rule book. tie goes to the runner is not a judgment made by the umpire Then who would make it???????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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