southsider2k5 Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 08:28 AM) When have the Rays invested a hefty sum towards any pitcher? Or player, for that matter? They have moore and longoria locked up to long extremely team friendly deals, and they have dealt away any other player for prospects and ML ready players(Garza, Bartlett) or just let the player walk when it is time to get paid(Pena, Crawford). Totally different organizational philosophy than the Phillies who are spending money like it is going out of style and trading whoever has value for stars. And you say that Darvish is "clearly" a better prospect than Daisuke 6 years ago. When did you come to that determination? Daisuke was supposed to be the real deal, his "gyroball" was supposed to defy gravity and be unhittable. It didnt, it wasnt, and he turned out to be a flop when you consider the posting fee and his contract. But that doesnt change the fact that Daisuke had the exact same hype back then that Darvish has now. Darvish could very well come in and dominate, but he also could be outclassed by a league that is far superior than the league Darvish has been in. Dice-K had way bigger hype than Darvish has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 09:30 AM) Dice-K had way bigger hype than Darvish has. I can recall an entertaining 1500 word or so article on what the Gyroball might actually be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 08:36 AM) I can recall an entertaining 1500 word or so article on what the Gyroball might actually be. wasnt it a spitball? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 20, 2011 -> 11:41 PM) That's why I said for now. The Rangers, along with the Rays and Phillies, are the premier organizations in baseball. So if they feel confident in investing such a hefty sum towards a pitcher, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Confident or desperate? I think it's much more likely they're pressing trying to replace CJ Wilson than they simply think Darvish is a good investment. I have no idea how Darvish will work out, but I think he should be viewed differently than other Japanese pitchers due to his mixed ethnic background and larger frame. Having said that, he's still victim of the Japanese posting system and I don't see how there's any way he meets or exceeds the value of his contract once you factor in that $50 million posting fee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 20, 2011 -> 11:41 PM) That's why I said for now. The Rangers, along with the Rays and Phillies, are the premier organizations in baseball. So if they feel confident in investing such a hefty sum towards a pitcher, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Confident or desperate? I think it's much more likely they're pressing trying to replace CJ Wilson than they simply think Darvish is a good investment. I have no idea how Darvish will work out, but I think he should be viewed differently than other Japanese pitchers due to his mixed ethnic background and larger frame. Having said that, he's still victim of the Japanese posting system and I don't see how there's any way he meets or exceeds the value of his contract once you factor in that $50 million posting fee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 JonHeymanCBS Jon Heyman just unearthed #yankees bid for yu darvish. it was $15M. as they used to say in get smart, "missed it by THAT much'' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 The deadline is today at 4pm for the Rangers and Darvish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 jonmorosi Jon Morosi Source: #Rangers, Yu Darvish now "close" to reaching deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 MLBInsideNews Scott Swaim Source : Rangers unlikely to sign Darvish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 What happens if they dont sign him? Does he get re-posted next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 18, 2012 -> 11:50 AM) jonmorosi Jon Morosi Source: #Rangers, Yu Darvish now "close" to reaching deal. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 18, 2012 -> 12:20 PM) MLBInsideNews Scott Swaim Source : Rangers unlikely to sign Darvish LOL, gotta love Twitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 18, 2012 -> 12:24 PM) LOL, gotta love Twitter. Yeah it looks like the inside news guy is off base. All of the national writers still seem to think it will get done. JonHeymanCBS Jon Heyman Rangers and darvish/tellem working hard (via @DKnobler). All anticipation is it gets done. team wants 6 year deal DKnobler DKnobler Rangers are indeed close on deal with Darvish, as @jonmorosi wrote. Not done yet, but both sides intent on getting deal by deadline today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 http://eye-on-baseball.blogs.cbssports.com...297882/34453185 By Matt Snyder Starting pitcher Yu Darvish will sign with the Texas Rangers before the 5:00 p.m. ET deadline, sources have told CBSSports.com insider Jon Heyman. The deal is likely to be for six years, Heyman has also learned. The Rangers paid a reported $51.7 million simply for the right to negotiate with Darvish. More Darvish coverage Would You Rather Have: Darvish or Wilson? Snyder: Darvish better than past imports Darvish, a 25-year-old right-hander, has been the ace of the Hokkaido Nippon Ham Fighters for five years. In those five seasons, Darvish is 76-28 with a sparkling 1.72 ERA and 0.89 WHIP. He's struck out 9.5 batters per nine innings and walked just 1.9 per nine. He's also thrown 50 complete games and 15 shutouts. In 2011, Darvish went 18-6 with a 1.44 ERA, 0.83 WHIP and 276 strikeouts in 232 innings with 10 complete games and six shutouts. If Darvish does indeed sign with the Rangers, the entire posting fee will be sent from the Rangers to the Fighters as compensation. Darvish will join Colby Lewis, Derek Holland, Neftali Feliz and probably Matt Harrison in the Rangers' rotation while Scott Feldman and Alexi Ogando are likely ticketed for the bullpen -- but still could emerge as starting options if need be -- in front of Mike Adams and Joe Nathan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 There's just no way he winds up worth that cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chicago White Sox Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 18, 2012 -> 02:06 PM) There's just no way he winds up worth that cash. What cash? I haven't see anything reported other than the posting fee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 JonHeymanCBS Jon Heyman Darvish, rangers agree to main terms. Just wrapping it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 18, 2012 -> 03:08 PM) What cash? I haven't see anything reported other than the posting fee. Uh yeah, the posting fee was a f***ton of cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 6/60 for Yu. Prince is basically a lock to sign with the Nationals now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 So effectively, 6 years, $113 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 18, 2012 -> 04:20 PM) So effectively, 6 years, $113 million. Should look really good when he's coming out of the bullpen in 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 18, 2012 -> 05:30 PM) Should look really good when he's coming out of the bullpen in 3 years. I'm not going to go that far...but I will say, it's nearly impossible for him to pitch up to that value. That's a $19 million a year average over 6 years. He'd literally have to be one of the top 2-3 pitchers in the AL every season of the deal to out-earn that money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 There's got to be some sort of substantial financial benefits that the Rangers will reap off the field, given Yu's iconic status in Japan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 18, 2012 -> 05:36 PM) I'm not going to go that far...but I will say, it's nearly impossible for him to pitch up to that value. That's a $19 million a year average over 6 years. He'd literally have to be one of the top 2-3 pitchers in the AL every season of the deal to out-earn that money. No he wouldn't. To earn $19M per year, he'd have to be worth slightly more than four wins per season, which Dan Syzmborski's ZiPS system predicts he will be. If you took the average value of the top AL starting pitchers in recent years, you'd get something over six wins. Looks like a fair deal for both sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 QUOTE (3E8 @ Jan 18, 2012 -> 05:51 PM) No he wouldn't. To earn $19M per year, he'd have to be worth slightly more than four wins per season, which Dan Syzmborski's ZiPS system predicts he will be. If you took the average value of the top AL starting pitchers in recent years, you'd get something over six wins. Looks like a fair deal for both sides. This is where I think the financial projections are unrealistic. Adding in the posting fee, he's gonna be about the 4th highest paid pitcher in the whole league. He needs to pitch that well to make it worth it. He needs to be CC/Halladay/Cliff Lee good. If the other pitchers at your salary are worth 6 or 7 wins a year (other than Johan), you need to be that good too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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