iamshack Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Feb 14, 2012 -> 10:08 AM) The money is obviously guaranteed. I just didn't understand your minor league war comment. It's not like in 4 years he's a FA again. He's Cubs property for a while. Everybody knew he wasn't ready for the majors right now. Just think of these contracts in the context of what Evan Longoria and Ryan Braun got shortly after reaching the majors...these guys have proven nothing close to what those two did...it's just crazy IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Feb 14, 2012 -> 09:08 AM) The money is obviously guaranteed. I just didn't understand your minor league war comment. It's not like in 4 years he's a FA again. He's Cubs property for a while. Everybody knew he wasn't ready for the majors right now. If he takes 3 years to get to the majors, then my point is you are paying him $20 million to play in the minor leagues. I don't fully understand the service time, but from what I do understand, it means he is arbitration eligible for the six seasons after he starts playing big league ball. If he does reach arbitration, there is no way they gave him a pay decrease right? So that means you will be paying him minimum $7 million a season when he does reach the majors, or is that wrong? He might become a great MLB player, or he may never make it to the show, either way it's a lot of money to risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 13, 2012 -> 04:49 PM) Do you really think that $9 million a year for a guy who has effectively never played above A ball is exploting a market inefficiency? Especially given where the A's are in terms of who they already have in their OF and the number of players they have sold in recent years. This is only a "New trend" in that the new trend is spending a fortune on these kind of guys from Cuba. Kenny Williams clearly pulled off the moneyball here in finding the market inefficiency, then Beane came in with big money later once the inefficiency had ironed out. And in fact, he may have paid a premium, given that the international-cap takes effect in only a few months and that has pushed this price up. To be clear, not saying I'm sure it's going to be a great or even good move. But before anyone here calls this reckless Oakland spending, it bears noting that we're hearing they had four or five years worth of scouting done on Cespedes. Oakland is meticulous and it will be interesting to see how a team that does everything in measured fashion handled this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 14, 2012 Author Share Posted February 14, 2012 Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal As several tweeps point out in response to my column, #Athletics could always trade Cespedes if he becomes star. Very true, but ... #MLB Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal …to what end? #Athletics want to contend in new pk right away. Plus, Cespedes' $10.5M salaries in final 2 years could diminish value. #MLB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Just saw where Cespedes is ranked as Prospect # 20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Bruce Miles @BruceMiles2112 Hearing that Soler to #Cubs a long way from being done. A good number of teams still have serious interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan09 Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 The money is obviously guaranteed. I just didn't understand your minor league war comment. It's not like in 4 years he's a FA again. He's Cubs property for a while. Everybody knew he wasn't ready for the majors right now. Isn't this kind of IFA (International Free Agent) like the one given to Viciedo? Or different because Viciedo was guaranteed or occupied part of the 40 man MLB roster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunofgold Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Glad that we didn't get Cespedes especially at that price. Cespedes could turn out to be the new Fukudome..expensive but not close to a superstar player. Ironically, we got Fuku now for a lot less $$$. A's are gambling here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Feb 14, 2012 -> 10:27 AM) To be clear, not saying I'm sure it's going to be a great or even good move. But before anyone here calls this reckless Oakland spending, it bears noting that we're hearing they had four or five years worth of scouting done on Cespedes. Oakland is meticulous and it will be interesting to see how a team that does everything in measured fashion handled this one. Honestly, I think that every one of these contracts, and hell I'll lump Darvish in there, seem like panic deals to me. These moves remind me of the White Sox against Johan Santana...they suddenly feel like they have no chance or trick and are now outgunned, so they're swinging as hard as they can at everything just to see if they happen to hit anything. There's a group of GM's that have gotten by and built their reputations by exploiting loopholes, whether it's going over slot in the draft or the international market, and suddenly the new CBA has removed the loopholes. Now, if a GM wants to succeed, he needs to be better at GM things...scouting talent, drafting, developing, making trades, and making intelligent free agent signings (The horror). If a GM can't do that, he won't succeed...and some of these guys are acting like they're the Sox facing Santana...they think they can't succeed without the loopholes, so they're swinging as hard as humanly possible before the loopholes get closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 14, 2012 Author Share Posted February 14, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Feb 14, 2012 -> 11:35 AM) Bruce Miles @BruceMiles2112 Hearing that Soler to #Cubs a long way from being done. A good number of teams still have serious interest. I wonder if the rumor was floated by the Cubs to try to chase teams away? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 14, 2012 Author Share Posted February 14, 2012 Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal Source: Cespedes did not get no-trade clause from #Athletics. So yes, A's could move him if he hits it big and long-term $$$ too much. #MLB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 QUOTE (oldsox @ Feb 14, 2012 -> 10:56 AM) Just saw where Cespedes is ranked as Prospect # 20. Yep, and Soler is ranked #39 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 14, 2012 Author Share Posted February 14, 2012 Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN Sources: Yankees have serious interest on OFer Jorge Soler, among many teams. Cubs are not close to signing Soler, as has been reported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 14, 2012 Author Share Posted February 14, 2012 Jorge Arangure @jorgearangure On Soler/Cubs. Both sides may have a deal, but would now have to give impression they don't because it's against US and MLB rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 The Cubs didn't have to do that with Concepcion...even though he's not "officially" contracted with, either. Maybe it's one of those things like the Jays' "fake" interest in Darvish that is mostly meant to placate the fans who were excited about getting Cespedes and feel let down. Who really knows at this point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 The offseason from hell for Sox fans continues. A's get Cespedes. Sox get ... Fukodome. What an organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 QUOTE (sunofgold @ Feb 14, 2012 -> 05:58 PM) Glad that we didn't get Cespedes especially at that price. Cespedes could turn out to be the new Fukudome..expensive but not close to a superstar player. Ironically, we got Fuku now for a lot less $$$. A's are gambling here. Sox fans, at least on this board, are very understanding when it comes to saving money. I could give a s*** about Jerry saving money. Spent some f***ing money and give me a winner!! (I don't count $$ to Rios/Dunn/Peavy; that's their own fault they are wasting those greenbacks). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Feb 16, 2012 -> 04:34 AM) The offseason from hell for Sox fans continues. A's get Cespedes. Sox get ... Fukodome. What an organization. Actually, the Fukudome signing was great. Probably one of the best bargains of the entire offseason, and it's a perfect fit for what the Sox needed. With regards to Cespedes, I'll be surprised if he's more productive this year than Fukudome is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 16, 2012 -> 04:49 AM) Actually, the Fukudome signing was great. Probably one of the best bargains of the entire offseason, and it's a perfect fit for what the Sox needed. With regards to Cespedes, I'll be surprised if he's more productive this year than Fukudome is. What role do you see for Fukudome? Late inning pinch hitter on a team that doesn't figure to contend? Makes little sense. Replacement for Pierre? That would mean he's a regular from Day One, making DeAza sit. In my eyes we already had a backup with some pop in his bat in Lilly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Feb 16, 2012 -> 06:05 AM) What role do you see for Fukudome? Late inning pinch hitter on a team that doesn't figure to contend? Makes little sense. Replacement for Pierre? That would mean he's a regular from Day One, making DeAza sit. In my eyes we already had a backup with some pop in his bat in Lilly. There's a lot of righty starters in our division. Fukudome is significantly better against RHP than Lillibridge, and he's also a very suitable defensive replacement for Viciedo. By having someone you can use defensively instead of Lillibridge, it allows you to let Lillibridge run for someone late in the game instead of being forced to use someone slow like Morel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 16, 2012 -> 05:10 AM) There's a lot of righty starters in our division. Fukudome is significantly better against RHP than Lillibridge, and he's also a very suitable defensive replacement for Viciedo. By having someone you can use defensively instead of Lillibridge, it allows you to let Lillibridge run for someone late in the game instead of being forced to use someone slow like Morel. Touche. Good stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Feb 15, 2012 -> 10:46 PM) Sox fans, at least on this board, are very understanding when it comes to saving money. I could give a s*** about Jerry saving money. Spent some f***ing money and give me a winner!! (I don't count $$ to Rios/Dunn/Peavy; that's their own fault they are wasting those greenbacks). So they spend over $100 million on 3 players who were All-Stars, but that doesn't count as spending money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Feb 16, 2012 -> 07:09 AM) So they spend over $100 million on 3 players who were All-Stars, but that doesn't count as spending money? lol nope - they have to be all-stars after you sign them, like we know Cespedes will be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Feb 16, 2012 -> 07:09 AM) So they spend over $100 million on 3 players who were All-Stars, but that doesn't count as spending money? Didn't you see what he said? The money spent on Rios, Dunn, and Peavy doesn't count. The Sox need to shell out another $80 million or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Feb 16, 2012 -> 08:49 AM) Didn't you see what he said? The money spent on Rios, Dunn, and Peavy doesn't count. The Sox need to shell out another $80 million or so. Mark Buehrle + Ozzie Guillen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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