Milkman delivers Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 I stopped reading this thread days ago. Why the hell is it even still going? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Feb 16, 2012 -> 09:25 AM) I stopped reading this thread days ago. Why the hell is it even still going? Soler got dumped into this thread too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan09 Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Soler got dumped into this thread too. Shouldn't he have his own thread as I believe the Sox were going to bid for his services. Not realistic of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 16, 2012 Author Share Posted February 16, 2012 paul hoynes @hoynsie #Indians have worked out Cuban OF Jorge Soler several times at their academy in the Dominican. Still not a free agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Feb 15, 2012 -> 10:46 PM) Sox fans, at least on this board, are very understanding when it comes to saving money. I could give a s*** about Jerry saving money. Spent some f***ing money and give me a winner!! (I don't count $$ to Rios/Dunn/Peavy; that's their own fault they are wasting those greenbacks). If only it was that simple. We could have 30 World Series winners every year and everyone would be happy. Join me in my free spending, everyone's a winner, utopia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 So what was the deal with the Tribune report claiming the Cubs basically had a deal with Soler? Every national media source has reported that it's a wide open race with multiple teams and the dollar amount is rising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 17, 2012 Author Share Posted February 17, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Feb 17, 2012 -> 09:22 AM) So what was the deal with the Tribune report claiming the Cubs basically had a deal with Soler? Every national media source has reported that it's a wide open race with multiple teams and the dollar amount is rising. If I had to guess? A "leak" to the press to scare/drive teams away from Soler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Feb 15, 2012 -> 10:46 PM) Sox fans, at least on this board, are very understanding when it comes to saving money. I could give a s*** about Jerry saving money. Spent some f***ing money and give me a winner!! (I don't count $$ to Rios/Dunn/Peavy; that's their own fault they are wasting those greenbacks). lol. This post removed any doubt in my mind that greg775 is a troll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 17, 2012 -> 10:04 AM) If I had to guess? A "leak" to the press to scare/drive teams away from Soler. It might have the opposite effect. It kind of put that $27.5 million number out there, and any team willing to spend that on him knows they are in the ballpark. Although, it would scare some away who think that's too high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 17, 2012 Author Share Posted February 17, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Feb 17, 2012 -> 10:22 AM) It might have the opposite effect. It kind of put that $27.5 million number out there, and any team willing to spend that on him knows they are in the ballpark. Although, it would scare some away who think that's too high. I was thinking if the story is out there that a deal is "done", other teams wouldn't bother because it won't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 17, 2012 -> 10:24 AM) I was thinking if the story is out there that a deal is "done", other teams wouldn't bother because it won't matter. But since the deal can't possibly be "done" since he's not eligible to sign yet, it would mean that he could only have agreed to terms, and so if you were willing to offer more than $27.5m you'd pick up the phone right away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 17, 2012 Author Share Posted February 17, 2012 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Feb 17, 2012 -> 10:33 AM) But since the deal can't possibly be "done" since he's not eligible to sign yet, it would mean that he could only have agreed to terms, and so if you were willing to offer more than $27.5m you'd pick up the phone right away. If the guy has a handshake deal with a team already, how much time would you want to waste trying to change his mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 17, 2012 -> 10:24 AM) I was thinking if the story is out there that a deal is "done", other teams wouldn't bother because it won't matter. MLB front offices are in constant contact with Soler's agent. A Chicago Tribune report is meaningless to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 17, 2012 -> 10:44 AM) If the guy has a handshake deal with a team already, how much time would you want to waste trying to change his mind? I wouldn't waste that much time. I would just say $30 mil >>> $27.5 mil. Think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Feb 17, 2012 -> 10:53 AM) I wouldn't waste that much time. I would just say $30 mil >>> $27.5 mil. Think about it. Exactly. It would only take a few minutes to ask his agent if he'd be willing to consider an offer of more money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 (edited) At least seven teams have interest in 19-year-old Cuban outfielder Jorge Soler, according to the most recent rumblings from around MLB. The Yankees and Phillies are said to have serious interest, and the Blue Jays, Orioles, Red Sox, Cubs and White Sox also appear to be in the mix. Soler isn't a fully fledged free agent yet, but that hasn't slowed the rumor mill down. The latest: •GM Ruben Amaro Jr. confirmed the Phillies' interest to Bob Brookover of the Philadelphia Inquirer. "It may come down to where he wants to play and, of course, the money," (brilliant!)Amaro said.The Phillies have stayed in close contact with Soler, taking him to dinner several times, according to Brookover. •The Indians have worked Soler out at their Dominican academy several times, Paul Hoynes of the Cleveland Plain Dealer tweets. •Jorge Arangure Jr. of ESPN The Magazine tweets that he would be very surprised if the Yankees sign Soler Edited February 18, 2012 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 MLB Whispers: White Sox could outbid Cubs for Soler The Chicago Tribune speculates that the White Sox could overspend to ''make a deal happen'' with Cuban outfielder Jorge Soler. Have a good evening, fellas. I'm going out to get s***faced with the family. This should get you all going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Feb 18, 2012 -> 05:22 PM) MLB Whispers: White Sox could outbid Cubs for Soler The Chicago Tribune speculates that the White Sox could overspend to ''make a deal happen'' with Cuban outfielder Jorge Soler. Have a good evening, fellas. I'm going out to get s***faced with the family. This should get you all going. Do it. If you are going to overspend on something it might as well be on this before the CBA changes. Not like it makes sense to spend it on whatever's left in the free agent market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Feb 18, 2012 -> 05:22 PM) MLB Whispers: White Sox could outbid Cubs for Soler The Chicago Tribune speculates that the White Sox could overspend to ''make a deal happen'' with Cuban outfielder Jorge Soler. Have a good evening, fellas. I'm going out to get s***faced with the family. This should get you all going. f*** yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 (edited) Don't you believe it. Edit for emphasis - Edited February 18, 2012 by daggins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Soxfan Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Feb 18, 2012 -> 05:22 PM) MLB Whispers: White Sox could outbid Cubs for Soler The Chicago Tribune speculates that the White Sox could overspend to ''make a deal happen'' with Cuban outfielder Jorge Soler. Have a good evening, fellas. I'm going out to get s***faced with the family. This should get you all going. We are just getting teased again, I had given up hope and then this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 "The chicago tribune speculates" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Hypothetical question for all you service time experts: Someone signs Soler for 4 years, $28 million. He spends 2013-2015 in the minors, then spends the whole 2016 in the majors. Does his arbitration/service clock work the same way as drafted players, even though he was a free agent? According to the service time rules, he would be ineligible for arbitration with only one year of service time. Would the team be able to offer him a typical pre-arb contract like 500-700k? Or since he made $7 million/year earlier, do they need to pay him a similar salary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Feb 18, 2012 -> 09:18 PM) Hypothetical question for all you service time experts: Someone signs Soler for 4 years, $28 million. He spends 2013-2015 in the minors, then spends the whole 2016 in the majors. Does his arbitration/service clock work the same way as drafted players, even though he was a free agent? According to the service time rules, he would be ineligible for arbitration with only one year of service time. Would the team be able to offer him a typical pre-arb contract like 500-700k? Or since he made $7 million/year earlier, do they need to pay him a similar salary? It depends on the contract. It's plausible that a team could offer him an "out clause" after x number of years. This is what happened with Contreras and Cespedes. I don't know if a team could write the contract saying that he was out after "4 years of MLB service time", I haven't seen that one before, but I'd imagine it's possible. So, a team could definitely offer him a contract where he's guaranteed to be a free agent in 2016, or a team could probably offer him a contract with some other out clause. With a guy as young and raw as him, it's hard to imagine a team would want to offer him an out clause. If he was not offered an out clause, then effectively, the $28 million would be a signing bonus. If he spent 3 years in the minors, then he'd still be under contract for 1 year. Then, his contract could be simply "renewed" for 2 more years prior to him becoming arbitration eligible (not sure of the exact amount, but we'll see what it is when Viciedo has it happen to him). At that point, he'd then have 3-ish arbitration years before Free Agency. This path is the Alexei/Viciedo path. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 18, 2012 -> 08:28 PM) It depends on the contract. It's plausible that a team could offer him an "out clause" after x number of years. This is what happened with Contreras and Cespedes. I don't know if a team could write the contract saying that he was out after "4 years of MLB service time", I haven't seen that one before, but I'd imagine it's possible. So, a team could definitely offer him a contract where he's guaranteed to be a free agent in 2016, or a team could probably offer him a contract with some other out clause. With a guy as young and raw as him, it's hard to imagine a team would want to offer him an out clause. If he was not offered an out clause, then effectively, the $28 million would be a signing bonus. If he spent 3 years in the minors, then he'd still be under contract for 1 year. Then, his contract could be simply "renewed" for 2 more years prior to him becoming arbitration eligible (not sure of the exact amount, but we'll see what it is when Viciedo has it happen to him). At that point, he'd then have 3-ish arbitration years before Free Agency. This path is the Alexei/Viciedo path. Yeah, I guess it depends on the contract, we will see what happens with Viciedo. Some people say that having the players under team control for so long is an advantage of signing any of these Cubans. But if he is pre-arb, and he had just made the $28 million "signing bonus", I doubt he would be happy about a normal pre-arb figure of 700k or so. Then you might be paying him a high salary anyway, which takes away part of the team control advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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