caulfield12 Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 23, 2011 -> 11:20 PM) Yup, I expect them to step it up as well. It IS baseball thou - anything can happen. Dunn could hit 40 bomb - or 12... either wouldn't surprise me. Rios could be totally worthless or put up a 4 WAR - either wouldn't surprise me. Humber could throw to a ~1 WHIP or could put up a 1.5 - either wouldn't surprise me. It's gonna be an interesting 2012 - but I'm not expecting us to beat Detroit this year. The other thing that really threw a lot of observers for a loop is how well Peralta played, both offensively and even defensively. Seemed his career was winding down in a backwards direction with the Indians. Boesch and Jackson weren't nearly as good as 2010, Ordonez and C. Guillen were non-factors, and they still were pretty darned impressive. Obviously, they had some offensive struggles from time to time, as can be expected with any club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 If you want Quentin you gotta take Rios, otherwise GFY. I hope that's KW stance on the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Dec 23, 2011 -> 09:24 PM) If you want Quentin you gotta take Rios, otherwise GFY. I hope that's KW stance on the issue. bwhahahahahahahahah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 24, 2011 -> 12:02 AM) bwhahahahahahahahah Ugh. Do people really think this is at all realistic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 24, 2011 -> 12:14 AM) Ugh. Do people really think this is at all realistic? No doubt. Apparently, in 2011, the most efficient way to restock the farm is to keep your good or "better" players and trade your bad ones. Only way to do business. lol. Just reread what you quoted. Of course. "If you want our defensively-challenged, injury-prone OF who we only have under control for one more year...you must take one of the most overpaid, perpetually underachieving players in baseball with him. The ball is in your court. We don't have to do anything." Edited December 24, 2011 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 24, 2011 -> 01:04 AM) No doubt. Apparently, in 2011, the most efficient way to restock the farm is to keep your good or "better" players and trade your bad ones. Only way to do business. lol. Just reread what you quoted. Of course. "If you want our defensively-challenged, injury-prone OF who we only have under control for one more year...you must take one of the most overpaid, perpetually underachieving players in baseball with him. The ball is in your court. We don't have to do anything." Or you can have John Danks, Alexei Ramirez, Matt Thornton AND a serving of Rios on the side, to go with the division crown for whatever respective league you're playing in. So why not add about $150-175 million to your team payroll in future salary commitments, it's Christmastime, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Dec 23, 2011 -> 11:24 PM) If you want Quentin you gotta take Rios, otherwise GFY. I hope that's KW stance on the issue. I never heard that acronym, but knew what it meant immediately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Glad to see we're doing the "x team will totally regress this year. The division will be terrible, if we can just get to 88 wins..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Soxfan Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 When is it anticipated that he will be declared a free agent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 QUOTE (Springfield SoxFan @ Dec 24, 2011 -> 09:44 AM) When is it anticipated that he will be declared a free agent? Probably in the next month, after he establishes residency in the DR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 24, 2011 -> 09:24 AM) Glad to see we're doing the "x team will totally regress this year. The division will be terrible, if we can just get to 88 wins..." It was totally predictable though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 23, 2011 -> 06:15 PM) And we now have 5 starting pitchers under team control for 5 years. The middle of the rotation has been shored up this offseason, I'd still like them to deal basically whatever it took for one more potential top-of-the-rotation starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 24, 2011 -> 12:24 PM) The middle of the rotation has been shored up this offseason, I'd still like them to deal basically whatever it took for one more potential top-of-the-rotation starter. Teams do not give up potential top-of-the-rotation starters in trades very willingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 (edited) just watch his scouting videos... kid is a BEAST. 500 foot home runs Vertical jump better than Derrick Rose Athletic as hell Cannon for an arm Hits a HR to Left, then Center, then Right back to back to back. I officially want him. Here's One Edited December 24, 2011 by Reddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 24, 2011 -> 02:34 PM) Teams do not give up potential top-of-the-rotation starters in trades very willingly. Indeed; draft, please! That's how we ended up with Sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 24, 2011 -> 11:34 AM) Teams do not give up potential top-of-the-rotation starters in trades very willingly. I understand that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 24, 2011 -> 12:53 PM) I understand that. Clearly you don't, otherwise you wouldn't keep requesting that the team trade for one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 24, 2011 -> 11:55 AM) Clearly you don't, otherwise you wouldn't keep requesting that the team trade for one. My contention is Viciedo or Ramirez might be able to bring the Sox that return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 24, 2011 -> 02:48 PM) just watch his scouting videos... kid is a BEAST. 500 foot home runs Vertical jump better than Derrick Rose Athletic as hell Cannon for an arm Hits a HR to Left, then Center, then Right back to back to back. I officially want him. Here's One I'm no scout, but I'd put the kid on the 25-man roster. I saw that he hit a couple of bombs lefty just to show off...he's not a switch-hitter is he? That was just for demonstration purposes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 24, 2011 -> 03:16 PM) My contention is Viciedo or Ramirez might be able to bring the Sox that return. Hasn't our problem been hitting since '06? Alexei I can see, but Viciedo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Soxfan Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Ok, I will be officially devastated if KW does not sign this guy, it will be the same kick in the gut as when Tori went to the Angels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 24, 2011 -> 01:16 PM) My contention is Viciedo or Ramirez might be able to bring the Sox that return. No one would give that up for Viciedo until he has a full, successful season at the MLB level. The sox have messed around with him and moved him around too much. Alexei might..but then you have to convince another team to be willing to pay the price for a SS, and right now I don't see the team that's going to do so (braves included). If the Braves were willing to part with a Teheran based package for Alexei, everyone here would jump at it. But we can't make them do that, and neither can Kenny...so insisting that it shoudl happen is going to annoy people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 24, 2011 -> 03:25 PM) No one would give that up for Viciedo until he has a full, successful season at the MLB level. The sox have messed around with him and moved him around too much. I just don't even understand why we'd do that. Are we trying to be the all-pitching, no-hitting Sox of the last five -- largely mediocre -- years? A not yet 23 year-old with the talent of Viciedo is exactly the type of player the organization doesn't have enough of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 24, 2011 -> 12:25 PM) No one would give that up for Viciedo until he has a full, successful season at the MLB level. The sox have messed around with him and moved him around too much. Alexei might..but then you have to convince another team to be willing to pay the price for a SS, and right now I don't see the team that's going to do so (braves included). If the Braves were willing to part with a Teheran based package for Alexei, everyone here would jump at it. But we can't make them do that, and neither can Kenny...so insisting that it shoudl happen is going to annoy people. So the Sox don't have what it takes to deal for a potential top-of-the-rotation starter, I can accept that. Viciedo's ceiling mustn't be Vlad Guerrero then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Dec 24, 2011 -> 12:29 PM) I just don't even understand why we'd do that. Are we trying to be the all-pitching, no-hitting Sox of the last five -- largely mediocre -- years? A not yet 23 year-old with the talent of Viciedo is exactly the type of player the organization doesn't have enough of. Don't kid yourself the rotation hasn't been good enough either. Rios and Dunn are going nowhere and there is at least some hope for Beckham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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