PolishPrince34 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 (edited) Definitely need to move Quentin right now. Might be more worthwhile in better prospects to trade Thornton and Floyd during Spring Training or when injuries arise during the season. Kenny must not be liking the offers right now to do a complete 180 Edited December 22, 2011 by PolishPrince34 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 QUOTE (heirdog @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 08:25 PM) Santos was just a tick below Jenks...just like Massett we'll learn later that means an annoying biting bug that lives in Jenks' nether regions and not his stuff... Danks is much more proven and deal could be considered slightly below market so whether he pitches only 2 years of it or more, I'm good with it. Except he does have one of the best sliders in the game...Masset had a fairly pedestrian, quite overhyped fastball and overall arsenal. Heck, Jon Adkins came to the Sox with a 7 or 8 ERA in AAA and they got away with hyping his stuff like he was going to be the next Cy Young winner, along with Felix Diaz and Jeff Marquez morphing into Greg Maddux/Matt Guerrier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 08:33 PM) Law is not considered very knowledgeable in baseball. When he first applied to the Baseball Writers Association of America they rejected him. No, he's just an ass. I think he's one of the better minor league insiders and he knows his sabermetrics, but his tone just makes you want to punch him in the face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 (edited) Cowley saying what some of you said here, that there wasn't a market for Danks so they locked him up and teams know what they will have to pay now. Cowley also adds that he still might be traded, also when last talked to Danks, John was in trade mode, and this had to go down very quickly. Edited December 22, 2011 by justBLAZE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 There are some reasons to believe that Santos may not truly be a closer. The biggest would be his problem with left handed batters. 723 ops v lefty as compared to 427 v righty. If he cant fix that issue, hes more of a righty specialist than a closer. Because in the last inning your going to pinch hit 3 lefties if possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince34 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 08:36 PM) No, he's just an ass. I think he's one of the better minor league insiders and he knows his sabermetrics, but his tone just makes you want to punch him in the face. I agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 In a year or two, this is gonna be the one move Kenny makes that we'll look back on to judge the state of the team. It's either gonna be real dumb (unfortunately my guess) or real savvy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Chw42, No Law really doesnt know baseball. In 2009 he voted the NL Cy Young as follows: My NL Cy Young ballot was 1. Tim Lincecum 2. Javier Vazquez 3. Adam Wainwright Chris Carpenter had an era+ of 182, Javy 143. His argument was that Carpenter pitched 3 less games and therefore that made up for half a run era difference. Hes literally baseball stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 @k0na's list of followers now inclues Merkin, Cowley etc. Somone should tweet Cowley with bloggers with laptops in basement remark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Since these beat writers can't break the big story first any longer, they should try and be the first to break who k0na's source is...probably old Betty from the mail room...and did i mention her last name is Seyller...that's right Grandma Betty is the mole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Does Cowley really live with his mom still? He seems like the type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 QUOTE (Cali @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 08:41 PM) In a year or two, this is gonna be the one move Kenny makes that we'll look back on to judge the state of the team. It's either gonna be real dumb (unfortunately my guess) or real savvy... The only way it can be dumb is if he has a serious injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 I tweeted Keith law "when r u going to get over wells for sirotka? Petulance is not a virtue." He responded "that was before my time. Try again." Is that true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 I might say this 10,000 times but the 2 people I can't stand the most are Cowley and Keith Law.. Law is a huge idiot!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 (edited) Yep. Law only started working for Blue Jays in 2002, and stopped in 2006. Obviously it was all of the success those Blue Jays teams had that caused him to resign. Edited December 22, 2011 by Soxbadger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 It was before his time. I think he just doesn't like how Kenny does things (which is fair) and is a snarky a-hole (which kind of blows). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 09:53 PM) I might say this 10,000 times but the 2 people I can't stand the most are Cowley and Keith Law.. Law is a huge idiot!!! He graduated from Harvard with honors...he's not an idiot. That's about the only nice thing I can say about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyAcosta41 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 08:28 PM) The next move would be to move Thornton and Quentin. I think the next move would be to move FLOYD and Quentin. With another quality starter now off the market, solid and durable Gavin, with his two years of affordable control, has real value to a pitching starved contender (or teams like the O's or Nats). Kenny just help make his own leverage -- now be patient dude, and ... use the leverage when you have it. Quentin has some value -- injury issues or not, his right-handed power numbers are not easy to find, he's not that expensive, and a team trading for him is only committing for one year. I like the idea of packaging him with Floyd for a decent package, but he can be traded in a reasonable trade. I'd actually keep Matt for the time being. Baseball is a funny game. Play the game and see what happens. While maybe not likely, it's certainly possible that turnaround years from some of the usual suspects combined with new on-field leadership can inject some sorely needed vitality into this group. It's happened other places. If we're contending, then we benefit from having Matt Thornton's stuff and experience; if we're not, then some contender will absolutely take Thornton for the stretch-run, even if it's purely a salary dump (and it will likely be just that). There are all sorts of things that led to Danks being signed, but kudos to Kenny for having the cajones to do the right thing and change up on his likely plan given our circumstances right this moment. I don't view it as waffling or being contradictory, I view it as having the guts to alter course as the target moves. And truck Keith Law anyway. What a joker. His anti-Sox bias has been obvious for years. I can't understand how anyone could care what he thinks about the Sox, a Sox prospect, or a Sox move. All things considered, I feel better about the Sox today than I did yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Sox could sign Pujols, Weaver & Kemp and Keith Law would find a way to bash the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 I don't get why Danks would sign this if the Sox were intent on trading him. He could easily have made more money on the open market next year with a good 2012. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 QUOTE (CyAcosta41 @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 10:05 PM) I think the next move would be to move FLOYD and Quentin. With another quality starter now off the market, solid and durable Gavin, with his two years of affordable control, has real value to a pitching starved contender (or teams like the O's or Nats). Kenny just help make his own leverage -- now be patient dude, and ... use the leverage when you have it. Quentin has some value -- injury issues or not, his right-handed power numbers are not easy to find, he's not that expensive, and a team trading for him is only committing for one year. I like the idea of packaging him with Floyd for a decent package, but he can be traded in a reasonable trade. I'd actually keep Matt for the time being. Baseball is a funny game. Play the game and see what happens. While maybe not likely, it's certainly possible that turnaround years from some of the usual suspects combined with new on-field leadership can inject some sorely needed vitality into this group. It's happened other places. If we're contending, then we benefit from having Matt Thornton's stuff and experience; if we're not, then some contender will absolutely take Thornton for the stretch-run, even if it's purely a salary dump (and it will likely be just that). There are all sorts of things that led to Danks being signed, but kudos to Kenny for having the cajones to do the right thing and change up on his likely plan given our circumstances right this moment. I don't view it as waffling or being contradictory, I view it as having the guts to alter course as the target moves. And truck Keith Law anyway. What a joker. His anti-Sox bias has been obvious for years. I can't understand how anyone could care what he thinks about the Sox, a Sox prospect, or a Sox move. All things considered, I feel better about the Sox today than I did yesterday. Yeah, I almost included Floyd in my original post, but my guess is that if the market for Danks isn't great, it's not going to be much better for Floyd. I don't know how badly we have to dump salary at this point, but Gavin at $7 million this year is one of our more valuable assets. I'd much rather deal Quentin since we have replacements in house than deal Floyd since we'll be trying to plug in Sale and Humber and one other guy (if we move Floyd) and crossing our fingers. Who knows though...this deal might have forced the sacrifice of Floyd...we'll just have to wait and see... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 10:14 PM) I don't get why Danks would sign this if the Sox were intent on trading him. He could easily have made more money on the open market next year with a good 2012. I mentioned this earlier...who is he going to sign with? Boston/NY/Anaheim/Tex are going to be close to being maxed out... My guess is he talked to Mark and realized he would rather just stay here than go to the Nationals or Toronto or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 QUOTE (heirdog @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 09:51 PM) I tweeted Keith law "when r u going to get over wells for sirotka? Petulance is not a virtue." He responded "that was before my time. Try again." Is that true? That's funny because I tweeted him "Why are you such a douchebag Sox hater?" but he never replied for some reason....... lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Count me in the "I seriously was caught totally off-guard by this" group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 I really don't think he'll be traded now. This is a very reasonable contract for a guy like Danks. I truly expected him to be getting $16+ million per after being traded. Now of course it looks like the Sox are not rebuilding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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