2011-2012 NBA Season Thread

[nitetrain8601]

Korver played 32 min last night and scored 8 points on 2 of 7 shooting. I can see why he's playing so much.

 

But the defense has to respect him because he can get hot at any time. He's also been shooting pretty darn good so far to start the season.

[Jenksismyhero]

But the defense has to respect him because he can get hot at any time. He's also been shooting pretty darn good so far to start the season.

 

Eh, the last game or two maybe. He was brutal the first week of the season.

[Balta1701]

Eh, the last game or two maybe. He was brutal the first week of the season.

It may not seem like it, but he's shooting 50% from 3 on the season and 44% from the field overall (his career marks are 41% from 3 and 43% from the field).

[Jenksismyhero]

It may not seem like it, but he's shooting 50% from 3 on the season and 44% from the field overall (his career marks are 41% from 3 and 43% from the field).

 

Yeah, I guess you're right after looking at his stats. Must be the wide open ones he misses at the most critical times (normally to break open a game or to close the gap and take momentum)

[nitetrain8601]

Yes, suggesting a player utilize his freakish athleticism and size (for a PG) to create better shots for himself is ridiculous. There's simply no justification for Rose to be averaging 5 3pt FG attempts per game.

 

Yeah there is, especially when he makes a good amount at a decent clip.

[Balta1701]

Yeah there is, especially when he makes a good amount at a decent clip.

He's shooting .277 from 3 and taking enough of them that it's making him currently have the lowest FG %age of his career so far. He shot around 27% from 3 in 09-10, but he only took 60 of them on the year, this year he's already taken 47.

 

He needs to shoot the 3 better if he's going to take this many. There's no way around it, it's dragging down his game.

[Felix]

I agree 100%. Making the D respect his shot means they can't sag off of him and clog the lane. That shot frees up his drive.

You don't need to take 5-6 threes a game to make an opponent respect your drive. At that point, you're simply wasting offensive possessions, especially when you're taking them with 20 seconds left on the shot clock and no players in position for an offensive board.

Edited January 10, 2012 by Felix

[nitetrain8601]

BTW, I also was a Wes Johnson/Hasheem Thabeet would be garbage players type of guy. Hasheem always looked awkward running up and down the court, had no hands and the only decent ability he had was shotblocking. It was nowhere enough to make him a serviceable NBA player though because he didn't have awesome instincts when it came to it. Alot was just him being a bigger guy. He simply never had it. Same with Marcus Williams. Heck, who was the last Big East player who actually matched the hype? Ray Allen & Allen Iverson??

[SoxAce]

He's shooting .277 from 3 and taking enough of them that it's making him currently have the lowest FG %age of his career so far.

 

To be fair, he was up around 38% until that Detroit game (1/4) and has since made 2 of his last 18 which has really dragged down his percentage. I do agree however 5+ isn't going to work, but 2-3 (in the flow of the offense) is acceptable for a guy who has improved.

Edited January 10, 2012 by SoxAce

[Felix]

To be fair, he was up around 38% until that Detroit game (1/4) and has since made 2 of his last 18 which has really dragged down his percentage.

To be fair, he's a career 31% shooter from beyond the arc.

[Balta1701]

To be fair, he's a career 31% shooter from beyond the arc.

His career mark doesn't mean anything, given that he obviously became a better 3 point shooter to start last season (but then fell on hard times at the end).

[nitetrain8601]

He's shooting .277 from 3 and taking enough of them that it's making him currently have the lowest FG %age of his career so far. He shot around 27% from 3 in 09-10, but he only took 60 of them on the year, this year he's already taken 47.

 

He needs to shoot the 3 better if he's going to take this many. There's no way around it, it's dragging down his game.

 

It's not dragging down his game. It seems that way because he's taking the least amount of shots since his rookie year. Actually, it's the exact same. Rose is a volume guy. He'll never shoot a high percentage. That's why his TS% is at a high so far this year.

Edited January 10, 2012 by nitetrain8601

[sircaffey]

To be fair, he was up around 38% until that Detroit game (1/4) and has since made 2 of his last 18 which has really dragged down his percentage.

This. Freaking out over 4 games is crazy. It's EARLY.

[SoxAce]

His career mark doesn't mean anything, given that he obviously became a better 3 point shooter to start last season (but then fell on hard times at the end).

 

Correct. And he really shouldn't have taken alot of those cause of the injury. And people look at his shooting when he had by far the most heaved shots from half court at buzzer beaters in the league. He simply doesn't care about his stats.

[Felix]

BTW, I also was a Wes Johnson/Hasheem Thabeet would be garbage players type of guy. Hasheem always looked awkward running up and down the court, had no hands and the only decent ability he had was shotblocking. It was nowhere enough to make him a serviceable NBA player though because he didn't have awesome instincts when it came to it. Alot was just him being a bigger guy. He simply never had it. Same with Marcus Williams. Heck, who was the last Big East player who actually matched the hype? Ray Allen & Allen Iverson??

Okafor turned into a pretty solid pro, although considering his performance in college, I'm not sure you could say he matched the hype.

 

Rudy Gay has also worked out pretty well.

 

EDIT: And yeah, WHarris1 nails the Carmelo thing two posts below

Edited January 10, 2012 by Felix

[MexSoxFan#1]

lol. First of all, LeBron wants his MVP back. So that's that. Second, somebody needs to let Derrick know that he's NOT a 3-point shooter and has no business taking 5 a night.

I hope you're not suggesting Rose didn't deserve his MVP last season.

Edited January 10, 2012 by MexSoxFan#1

[WHarris1]

Heck, who was the last Big East player who actually matched the hype? Ray Allen & Allen Iverson??

Carmelo?

[Felix]

Correct. And he really shouldn't have taken alot of those cause of the injury. And people look at his shooting when he had by far the most heaved shots from half court at buzzer beaters in the league. He simply doesn't care about his stats.

Do you have anything at all to back this up?

Edited January 10, 2012 by Felix

[nitetrain8601]

Okafor turned into a pretty solid pro, although considering his performance in college, I'm not sure you could say he matched the hype.

 

Rudy Gay has also worked out pretty well.

 

Okafor was supposed to be a surefire player. Mutumbo with offense. He's an okay player, that's about it. Gay I guess matched the hype when he left college because many felt he didn't have the drive.

[nitetrain8601]

Carmelo?

 

A vastly overrated player who plays when he wants to. He's the closest I could think of I guess.

[Jordan4life_2007]

Rose's 3pt FG% post all-star break last year (28 games): 29.9% on 5.6 attempts per game.

 

Rose's 3pt FG% in the 2011 playoffs (16 games): 24.8% on 6.3 attempts per game.

 

Rose's 3pt FG% this year (10 games): 27.7% on 4.7 attempts per game.

 

That, my friends, is the definition of awful. That's over 50 games of Steve Francis-like shooting from three. Unacceptable.

[Jordan4life_2007]

I hope you're not suggesting Rose didn't deserved his MVP last season.

 

Did he deserve it? Of course. He was the best player on a team that shocked everybody and won 62 games. But the fact is he's the least efficient MVP winner since the days of the "great" Bill Russell. That will not suffice in today's NBA. When was the last time a champion's best player was a sub 45% shooter?

[Felix]

I agree 100%. Making the D respect his shot means they can't sag off of him and clog the lane. That shot frees up his drive.

Using this logic, you'd then have me believe that since he started shooting more three pointers, he's become more effective and a better scorer in the lane, right?

 

Rose's shooting numbers from within 9 feet throughout his career:

2009 - 4.0 FG, 7.1 FGA = 56.3%

2010 - 4.3 FG, 7.7 FGA = 55.8%

2011 - 4.8 FG, 8.7 FGA = 55.1%

 

He's been creating his shot more often in the lane than he did as a rookie (23.9 %As in 2009 opposed to 15.6 in 2011), but the idea that he's becoming more effective at it certainly doesn't seem to hold any water.

[SoxAce]

Do you have anything at all to back this up?

 

Jesus.. if the eye test wasn't enough, I think only Wade came the closest to him from whom I've watched in the NBA. Check out Synergy Sports. Great tool. He took 32 half court heaves last year and made... 1. I wish I hadn't forgot my f***ing username and password for that s***. True shooting % helps, but even that can be a bit off. Luckily I saved that small stat on my notepad.

 

EDIT: some guy on realgm posted something similar (can't read it from this computer). I'm also positive Wade was second going off memory. http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic....19&start=15

Edited January 10, 2012 by SoxAce

[WHarris1]

It is interesting to note the number of half-court attempts and heaves. While I am not sure how significantly it does impact statistics, it is extremely noticeable that Rose heaves it up every single chance, where I have seen plenty of other NBA players dribble out the clock before launching a 3/4 court shot.

 

I have had conversations about this while watching Bulls and other games on League Pass. It is difficult to quantify obviously, and I am not not sure the effects are too significant statistically, but worth noting nonetheless.