Felix Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 01:49 PM) Aw, come on dude, you're not gonna get flamed for not putting DRose at #1 I've been flamed for less My top 10 has a lot of interchangeable parts, but would basically be split up into tiers. Players in each tier can be moved around, etc. etc. 1. Lebron 2. Dwight -- I'll take these two over anyone else in basketball if I was starting a team right now. Physical freaks that are damn near impossible to defend, plus two of the best defensive players in the league (especially since Lebron can basically guard anyone on the floor). 3. Durant 4/5. Rose 4/5. CP3 -- As far as I'm concerned, Rose/CP3 are interchangeable. They're both elite level point guards that have very different styles. Depending on the team, I'd prefer CP3 at the point. On the Bulls, Rose is a great fit. You can't go wrong with either, however. Durant might be a little overrated on this list given his defense, but given his age and potential, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. 6. Kobe 7. Dirk 8. Wade -- Blah blah blah words 9. Westbrook 10. Carmelo 11. Manu 12. Gasol 13. Love 14. Griffin 15. Aldridge -- This is a crapshoot. A lot of them are very close, so I just put them in some order that I was ok with. Not the biggest Carmelo fan in the world. He basically kills any offensive flow that a team has and is a pure volume shooter with no interest in defense. I find him incredibly irritating to watch, even when he's scoring. Edited January 13, 2012 by Felix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I agree with the vast majority of this list, I was considering coming up with one but that's just about what I had in my head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 01:56 PM) KD has won the last two scoring titles. How many more shots is he supposed to take? It would help OKC if the more efficient and better scorer would get more shots at the end of a game...I remember a game last year when OKC rebounded the ball during the final seconds, Westbrook pushed the ball up, had Durant open at the wing and still Westbrook forced up a shot (he bricked it) while KD had this look to his face like "there you go again", lol. I wish I could remember what game it was (maybe the Grizzlies series?) but Durant's dismayed expression stuck with me... Edited January 13, 2012 by MexSoxFan#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 02:16 PM) It would help OKC if the more efficient and better scorer would get more shots at the end of a game...I remember a game last year when OKC rebounded the ball during the final seconds, Westbrook pushed the ball up, had Durant open at the wing and still Westbrook forced up a shot while KD had this look to his face like "there you go again", lol. I wish I could remember what game it was but Durant's dismayed expression stuck with me... I have no recollection of the specific instance you're referring to. I agree that KD should always be the first option at the end of games (depending on what the defense throws at you). But Westbrook gets way too much crap for playing with Durant. Statistically, standard and advanced, he was every bit as good as Rose last year save 3-pointers. His shot-selection and decision-making is suspect at times. But so is Rose's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 02:23 PM) I have no recollection of the specific instance you're referring to. I agree that KD should always be the first option at the end of games (depending on what the defense throws at you). But Westbrook gets way too much crap for playing with Durant. Statistically, standard and advanced, he was every bit as good as Rose last year save 3-pointers. His shot-selection and decision-making is suspect at times. But so is Rose's. You got a good point there but Rose doesn't have anyone like Durant alongsides him, sometimes he needs to force a shot up since he's basically the player who can create his own shot on the Bulls. All I'm saying is Westbrook shouldn't be jacking up forced shots while he has KD on the floor with him... Edited January 13, 2012 by MexSoxFan#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 02:28 PM) You got a good point there but Rose doesn't have anyone like Durant besides him, sometimes he needs to force a shot up since he's basically the player who can create his own shot on the Bulls. All I'm saying is Westbrook shouldn't be jacking up forced shots while he has KD on the floor with him... You just proved my point. It's OK that Rose at times takes bad shots because there's nobody for him to defer to. Who's to say Rose wouldn't have similar difficulties meshing with such an uber-talent like Durant? Rose is not Nash or Paul or Williams. He looks to score first. He was that way at Memphis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 02:39 PM) You just proved my point. It's OK that Rose at times takes bad shots because there's nobody for him to defer to. Who's to say Rose wouldn't have similar difficulties meshing with such an uber-talent like Durant? Rose is not Nash or Paul or Williams. He looks to score first. He was that way at Memphis. I have a hard time bringing Rose's one year at Memphis into the discussion. It's true, we don't know what Rose would do with the best scorer in the league on his team, but one can assume his work ethic and drive would have him feeding that freak and getting his when he gets his. Listen, we all just saw what the Bulls' 2nd and 3rd options look like without Rose on the floor in that game against the Wizards, and both Deng and Boozer shat themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 02:39 PM) You just proved my point. It's OK that Rose at times takes bad shots because there's nobody for him to defer to. Who's to say Rose wouldn't have similar difficulties meshing with such an uber-talent like Durant? Rose is not Nash or Paul or Williams. He looks to score first. He was that way at Memphis. I would love for us Bulls fans to have that "problem" OKC has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 02:43 PM) I have a hard time bringing Rose's one year at Memphis into the discussion. It's true, we don't know what Rose would do with the best scorer in the league on his team, but one can assume his work ethic and drive would have him feeding that freak and getting his when he gets his. Listen, we all just saw what the Bulls' 2nd and 3rd options look like without Rose on the floor in that game against the Wizards, and both Deng and Boozer shat themselves. I'm just saying. They're both "scoring" point guards. They're both athletic freaks of nature, similar skill-sets, and the same age I believe. And I said before the season started that I don't like the Bulls' roster outside of Rose. They've overachieved the last year+. Much credit to TT. He's a better coach than I ever thought possible. Boozer is garbage. Deng is like the 15th best SF in the league. And Noah reminds of Luc Longley at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 02:51 PM) I'm just saying. They're both "scoring" point guards. They're both athletic freaks of nature, similar skill-sets, and the same age I believe. And I said before the season started that I don't like the Bulls' roster outside of Rose. They've overachieved the last year+. Much credit to TT. He's a better coach than I ever thought possible. Boozer is garbage. Deng is like the 15th best SF in the league. And Noah reminds of Luc Longley at times. Yeah, I think we agree. I just don't know that I can definitely call this the only game Rose can play. I believe he took over on offense because the Bulls had so little shot without him doing that. Hell, we all saw how bad the Bulls looked to start games this season as Rose was trying to defer to his supporting cast. The Bulls are a nice deep team, but without Rose they are a lottery team. That is some scary s***. The Thunder could lose Westbrook (whom I agree is a Rose-lite) and not skip a beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 (edited) Deng is a top 10 SF (considering both off. and def.). I have no idea how Noah can remind anybody of Longley, totally different types of players... Edited January 13, 2012 by MexSoxFan#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 03:12 PM) Deng is a top 10 SF (considering both off. and def.). I have no idea how Noah can remind anybody of Longley, totally different types of players... Well except for the facts that Noah is black, athletic, a good rebounder, a terrible shooter, and high energy, they are a lot alike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 03:12 PM) Deng is a top 10 SF (considering both off. and def.). I have no idea how Noah can remind anybody of Longley, totally different types of players... Top 10? No way. Grant Hill is 50 and he's just about as good. Noah was arguably the second best C in the conference this time last year. He's fallen off a cliff since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Id like to see a list of 15 SFs definitively better than Deng. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 04:31 PM) Id like to see a list of 15 SFs definitively better than Deng. This version a year ago had Deng at #9, after Caron Butler and Rudy Gay. Deng's regular injury history until last year probably hurt him a fair amount on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 (edited) SF's better than Deng: LeBron Durant Melo Pierce Gay AI2 Wallace Granger Marion AK SFs arguably better: Wright Gallinari Butler Hedo Hill Deng is somewhere in that third-tier. Edited January 13, 2012 by Jordan4life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Deng was 18th in the league (all positions) in Win Shares last year. 4th in defensive win shares last year. He's good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 You truly believe that Hedo Turkoglu is arguably better than Luol Deng? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 03:48 PM) You truly believe that Hedo Turkoglu is arguably better than Luol Deng? Not really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Deng is one of the best wing defenders in the league. He's quite, quite good. His offense isn't great, but it's tough to ignore his defensive prowess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Im not sure that Rose was a true scoring pg in college. Rose ran the dribble drive motion offense in college, which meant that any player who was on the ball would attempt to get to the rim or kick the ball out. So basically everyone on the team played a similar role (primary job was to try and score through the drive.) If you watched Memphis play (especially in the regular season), Chris Douglas Roberts was the #1 scoring option and Rose was more the facilitator (Rose had 189 assists compared to Roberts 71). People forget that even in the tournament Roberts shot more than Rose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 03:42 PM) SF's better than Deng: LeBron Durant Melo Pierce Gay AI2 Wallace Granger Marion AK SFs arguably better: Wright Gallinari Butler Hedo Hill Deng is somewhere in that third-tier. lol@ that list... Are you saying just offensive wise and not including defense, because if we are talking both ends of the court, your list sucks. Edited January 13, 2012 by MexSoxFan#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 It's become quite clear that the right coach/system can make average defenders (something Luol clearly was before last year) look better than they are. Paul Pierce and Ray Allen had no reputation whatsoever as good defenders before '08. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 QUOTE (Felix @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 03:55 PM) Deng is one of the best wing defenders in the league. He's quite, quite good. His offense isn't great, but it's tough to ignore his defensive prowess. His mid-range jumper has been solid for a while and he's good in the open court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 03:22 PM) Well except for the facts that Noah is black, athletic, a good rebounder, a terrible shooter, and high energy, they are a lot alike. The bolded have been missing for nearly a year now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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