southsider2k5 Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 02:23 PM) Yeah. With Rip and Deng healthy, it becomes a lot harder to just tell BronBron "go stop Rose" when Rip and Deng can shoot over Chalmers. Then a trap? Well... Noah can make plays with his passes to one of Rip, Booz, or Deng who would be open. All them can hit the mid-range shot. Deng can get to the hoop. Noah can get putbacks. Sometimes Boozer is a low-post guy. That's not even counting having CJ or Korver in for the 3. After seeing what the Bulls did to the trap last night, the only way the Heat us it is with Noah not on the floor. If Boozer can stay healthy, that is like adding a PF because he had no lift last year and Bosh ate his lunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 02:27 PM) After seeing what the Bulls did to the trap last night, the only way the Heat us it is with Noah not on the floor. If Boozer can stay healthy, that is like adding a PF because he had no lift last year and Bosh ate his lunch. Well, then Asik is in and when he went down in last years series, that was big. Asik can alter shots better than any center not named Dwight Howard. He kept Wade and LeBron out of the paint at times and the Asik-Deng trap was beautiful on LeBron. Either Noah is in and they can't trap us or Asik is in and we can trap them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 03:34 PM) Well, then Asik is in and when he went down in last years series, that was big. He only missed 1, 1.5 games though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 02:35 PM) He only missed 1, 1.5 games though. And with how close those last four games were until the last few minutes...that's big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 02:34 PM) Well, then Asik is in and when he went down in last years series, that was big. Asik can alter shots better than any center not named Dwight Howard. He kept Wade and LeBron out of the paint at times and the Asik-Deng trap was beautiful on LeBron. Either Noah is in and they can't trap us or Asik is in and we can trap them. Asik is easy to leave on the offensive side. They'd double Rose off of Asik, and the Bulls couldn't do anything about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 02:34 PM) Well, then Asik is in and when he went down in last years series, that was big. Asik can alter shots better than any center not named Dwight Howard. He kept Wade and LeBron out of the paint at times and the Asik-Deng trap was beautiful on LeBron. Either Noah is in and they can't trap us or Asik is in and we can trap them. I like me some Turkish Hammer, but I think Gibson is better than him on the defensive end. It's really too bad that Gibson has lost all confidence in his jump shot. Unless they're dunking the ball, he and Asik are both pretty worthless on the offensive end (except for rebounding). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 02:39 PM) Asik is easy to leave on the offensive side. They'd double Rose off of Asik, and the Bulls couldn't do anything about it. My point being is when Joakim's out, it's very hard for the Heat to score. QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 05:29 PM) I like me some Turkish Hammer, but I think Gibson is better than him on the defensive end. It's really too bad that Gibson has lost all confidence in his jump shot. Unless they're dunking the ball, he and Asik are both pretty worthless on the offensive end (except for rebounding). I disagree. Gibson is better with blocks, but Asik just keeps teams out of the paint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 05:31 PM) My point being is when Joakim's out, it's very hard for the Heat to score. I disagree. Gibson is better with blocks, but Asik just keeps teams out of the paint. I guess i'm equating "alter shots" with "blocks." Asik's problem is that he has no hands. He should average 6-8 pts a game on put backs alone, but he keeps bringing the damn ball to the floor and getting stripped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 05:39 PM) I guess i'm equating "alter shots" with "blocks." Asik's problem is that he has no hands. He should average 6-8 pts a game on put backs alone, but he keeps bringing the damn ball to the floor and getting stripped. Ah. By "alter shots" I mean when someones going into the lane and go towards Asik, they have to take a much worse shot by twisting themselves, getting around him, or fade aways then if another defender was there because Asik would block the shot otherwise. With Gibson they take that risk, because there's a chance he doesn't block it, but then he also does get some very good blocks. And yes. Asik has literally no hands and he always brings the f***ing ball down which is also annoying. Omer with an offensive game like say, Noahs, is the definitive 2nd best center in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 06:09 PM) Ah. By "alter shots" I mean when someones going into the lane and go towards Asik, they have to take a much worse shot by twisting themselves, getting around him, or fade aways then if another defender was there because Asik would block the shot otherwise. Omer with an offensive game like say, Noahs, is the definitive 2nd best center in the league. I don't know where to start with this... Altering shots? Ibaka? Jordan? Gasol? Bynum? Hibbert? Chandler? Camby? I mean, come on. I love Asik as much as anyone else, but......come on. Omer with Noah's offensive games is better than Bynum? Hibbert? The Gasols? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 This is a terrible match up for the Knicks. The last thing you want to do against the heat is turn the ball over and play and up and down tempo like dantoni plays. Gotta force the heat into a half court game where their athleticism is limited and force one of the superstars to essentially play a 1 man game in the half court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 06:12 PM) I don't know where to start with this... Altering shots? Ibaka? Jordan? Gasol? Bynum? Hibbert? Chandler? Camby? I mean, come on. I love Asik as much as anyone else, but......come on. Omer with Noah's offensive games is better than Bynum? Hibbert? The Gasols? Ok. I used some J4L-esque hyperbole. But Asik is the second best defensive center in the league. Maybe DeAndre is better, but that's it. Ibaka isn't a center, Bynum is good, Hibbert isn't that great defensively, Marc's calling card isn't D, Chandler is good but I take Asik over him, and Camby's heyday is behind him. And I meant all of Noah's offensive game, passing included. I keep forgetting Bynum is actually healthy this year and beasting. Asik would be even with M. Gasol (Pau is a PF) and yes, better than Hibbert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Steve Novak could argubly be the most non athletic player in the NBA today, but he can sure knock down a 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Oh my goodness. Somebody get Jeremy Lin off the court. The Heat's athleticism has him bamboozled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 07:04 PM) Oh my goodness. Somebody get Jeremy Lin off the court. The Heat's athleticism has him bamboozled. I knew someone would overreact the first time he struggled over an extended period of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 06:09 PM) Ah. By "alter shots" I mean when someones going into the lane and go towards Asik, they have to take a much worse shot by twisting themselves, getting around him, or fade aways then if another defender was there because Asik would block the shot otherwise. With Gibson they take that risk, because there's a chance he doesn't block it, but then he also does get some very good blocks. And yes. Asik has literally no hands and he always brings the f***ing ball down which is also annoying. Omer with an offensive game like say, Noahs, is the definitive 2nd best center in the league. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 God I hate Shane Battier. It's so perfect he's on the Heat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 The Heat play such insane defense. Oh, and Lin is being exposed badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 QUOTE (Brian @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 07:05 PM) I knew someone would overreact the first time he struggled over an extended period of time. This isn't the first time. Deron Williams just recently kicked his ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 07:13 PM) This isn't the first time. Deron Williams just recently kicked his ass. Derron Williams has been kicking everyone's ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 07:13 PM) This isn't the first time. Deron Williams just recently kicked his ass. No offense man, but you have to be the most uninformed poster in this thread. In what world is 21 points, nine assists, seven rebounds, four steals and only three turnovers an ass kicking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 QUOTE (Brian @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 07:19 PM) Derron Williams has been kicking everyone's ass. Then there was the 9 turnover game against the Hornets. This Jeremy Lin charade will eventually run it's course. He hasn't even seen Paul, Westbrook, Rondo, Rose, etc, yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 07:23 PM) No offense man, but you have to be the most uninformed poster in this thread. In what world is 21 points, nine assists, seven rebounds, four steals and only three turnovers an ass kicking? There's this thing called guarding your man. And Lin didn't do that at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 07:25 PM) There's this thing called guarding your man. And Lin didn't do that at all. Lol, I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 07:25 PM) There's this thing called guarding your man. And Lin didn't do that at all. There is SOME human element to the game, right? I mean, Lin was riding pine two weeks ago and now he's in a playoff atmosphere against the best team in the NBA showing full court press on him while Carmelo stands around staring at him. The Knicks veterans need to step up and help out, because Lin is being exposed and certainly needed time to adjust. Look for a big 2nd half from Lin and Melo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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