2011-2012 NBA Season Thread

[Soxbadger]

Wait what?

 

Rex Grossman was a Heisman contender as a Sophmore (I believe he finished 2nd) and a 1st round draft pick after being destroyed by Zook.

 

Grossman is in the following list of players:

 

Six players have finished in the top three as freshmen or sophomores but never won a Heisman: Clint Castleberry, Marshall Faulk, Michael Vick, Rex Grossman, Larry Fitzgerald, and Adrian Peterson.

 

Lin never came close to winning any major award in College Basketball.

 

Stick to pro basketball, because Grossman was a supremely talented college player, you know the AP College Player of the Year as a Sophmore, 3rd highest rated passer in SEC history...

 

LOL

 

 

 

[Jordan4life_2007]

Wait what?

 

Rex Grossman was a Heisman contender as a Sophmore (I believe he finished 2nd) and a 1st round draft pick after being destroyed by Zook.

 

Grossman is in the following list of players:

 

Six players have finished in the top three as freshmen or sophomores but never won a Heisman: Clint Castleberry, Marshall Faulk, Michael Vick, Rex Grossman, Larry Fitzgerald, and Adrian Peterson.

 

Lin never came close to winning any major award in College Basketball.

 

Stick to pro basketball, because Grossman was a supremely talented college player, you know the AP College Player of the Year as a Sophmore, 3rd highest rated passer in SEC history...

 

LOL

 

Yeah, and Adam Morrison, J.J Redick, and Tyler Hansbrough were the best college basketball players in the world at one point. Rex is too short, he doesn't have feet, he always threw off the wrong foot, etc. I don't care what he did in college. He's a below average pro.

[Soxbadger]

Youre point is all over the place and makes no sense. Grossman was a highly rated and well known QB coming into the Pros, Lin was not.

 

[Soxbadger]

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Edited February 24, 2012 by Soxbadger

[Steve9347]

Youre point is all over the place and makes no sense.

Ha. You just clearly defined J4L. This is why we love him.

[Jordan4life_2007]

Youre point is all over the place and makes no sense. Grossman was a highly rated and well known QB coming into the Pros, Lin was not.

 

No, the point is actually simple. Rex Grossman was the best QB on earth for the first 6 weeks in 2006. Then reality hit. Jeremy Lin has looked like one of the best PGs on earth for most of the last three weeks. Reality has already started for him. Jeremy Lin went from a nice story to embarrassing spectacle. He's got his own all-star weekend press conference later tonight. Are you serious? LeBron is having one of the most spectacular seasons the game has ever seen, and Lin gets his very own press conference? Unacceptable. I cannot wait until this annoying ass mosquito is exposed.

[SoxFan1]

"The Bulls are fourth in field-goal percentage (46.0), fifth in 3-point accuracy (38.3 percent), and lead the league in assists per game (23.26). They’re outscoring opponents by an NBA-leading 9.45 points on average and outrebounding them by a larger margin (5.48) than any other team."

 

Also of note, the Bulls projected starting lineup of Rose/Hamilton/Deng/Boozer/Noah has only started 5 games together so far this season and they've played the 2nd most road games in the league thus far.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=An95...ap-bullsatbreak

[Soxbadger]

No the point still makes no sense.

 

Rex Grossman in 2006 for the first 6 games had QB ratings of (98, 148, 64, 100, 101, 10), with an 11-7 td/int ratio, that isnt the BEST QB ON EARTH, that is borderline Pro Bowl.

 

Rex Grossman after his Sophomore season was considered the BEST QB PROSPECT IN NCAA football. Lin was never even a well rated prospect. Many people would easily believe that Rex Grossman, the 3rd highest rated QB in SEC history, would be able to have a season where he didnt even have a 2-1 td to int ratio. Many people believed Rex Grossman would be a starting QB in the NFL.

 

None of those things apply to Lin, not one. Grossman is more like Adam Morrison, etc., guys who were extremely well known in college, expected to do big things as a pro, who just fail.

 

Lin is the exact opposite, a guy who did very little in college and now is exceeding all expectations as a Pro. Grossman will go down as a bust, Lin never will have that tag.

[Steve9347]

"The Bulls are fourth in field-goal percentage (46.0), fifth in 3-point accuracy (38.3 percent), and lead the league in assists per game (23.26). They’re outscoring opponents by an NBA-leading 9.45 points on average and outrebounding them by a larger margin (5.48) than any other team."

 

Also of note, the Bulls projected starting lineup of Rose/Hamilton/Deng/Boozer/Noah has only started 5 games together so far this season and they've played the 2nd most road games in the league thus far.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=An95...ap-bullsatbreak

Those are certainly some sexy stats.

 

Speaking of sexy, right before the traded deadline I accepted a PC offered deal in NBA 2k12, first trade I've made on the year, as I didn't plan to do any trading. Rip Hamilton has sucked balls for me, yet the lottery bound (in the game) T-Wolves offered up JJ Barea and their 1st for Rip Hamilton and my 1st.

 

Hilarious. Ronnie Brewer, Kyle Korver, and CJ Watson can more than hold down that position.

 

Anyway, back to things about which people actually care.

[SoxFan1]

Those are certainly some sexy stats.

 

Speaking of sexy, right before the traded deadline I accepted a PC offered deal in NBA 2k12, first trade I've made on the year, as I didn't plan to do any trading. Rip Hamilton has sucked balls for me, yet the lottery bound (in the game) T-Wolves offered up JJ Barea and their 1st for Rip Hamilton and my 1st.

 

Hilarious. Ronnie Brewer, Kyle Korver, and CJ Watson can more than hold down that position.

 

Anyway, back to things about which people actually care.

They're currently lottery bound in real life too.

[Quin]

No, the point is actually simple. Rex Grossman was the best QB on earth for the first 6 weeks in 2006. Then reality hit. Jeremy Lin has looked like one of the best PGs on earth for most of the last three weeks. Reality has already started for him. Jeremy Lin went from a nice story to embarrassing spectacle. He's got his own all-star weekend press conference later tonight. Are you serious? LeBron is having one of the most spectacular seasons the game has ever seen, and Lin gets his very own press conference? Unacceptable. I cannot wait until this annoying ass mosquito is exposed.

 

How hard is this to understand.

 

Grossman was injured like a motherf***er and didn't really play in the pros a whole lot until 2006. Then he was fantastic for the first six weeks of 2006. Jeremy Lin was also an unknown in the pros. Starts games, looks fantastic.

 

Both have been brought back to Earth.

 

Badger, you're making an argument no one is making. No one said anything about college careers.

[Steve9347]

They're currently lottery bound in real life too.

Oh yeah. Sorry, I confused them with their WNBA counterparts.

[Steve9347]

Desperate Lakers are desperate.

 

According to Comcast SportsNet New England, Rasheed Wallace is set to sign with the Lakers.

[Jordan4life_2007]

No the point still makes no sense.

 

Rex Grossman in 2006 for the first 6 games had QB ratings of (98, 148, 64, 100, 101, 10), with an 11-7 td/int ratio, that isnt the BEST QB ON EARTH, that is borderline Pro Bowl.

 

Rex Grossman after his Sophomore season was considered the BEST QB PROSPECT IN NCAA football. Lin was never even a well rated prospect. Many people would easily believe that Rex Grossman, the 3rd highest rated QB in SEC history, would be able to have a season where he didnt even have a 2-1 td to int ratio. Many people believed Rex Grossman would be a starting QB in the NFL.

 

None of those things apply to Lin, not one. Grossman is more like Adam Morrison, etc., guys who were extremely well known in college, expected to do big things as a pro, who just fail.

 

Lin is the exact opposite, a guy who did very little in college and now is exceeding all expectations as a Pro. Grossman will go down as a bust, Lin never will have that tag.

 

Oh my god you are f***ing annoying sometimes. Look, I wasn't talking about their overall pedigrees. Rex had been injured during most of his pro career prior to '06 and there was no film on him. Everybody knew (outside of moron Bears fans) that he was grossly over-performing at the start of '06. And yes, it was the first 5 games. The 6th game was the famous "they are who we thought they were" game where he threw 4 picks and looked like hippo s***. Is it the perfect comparison? No. But get off your lawyer high-horse for two seconds and stop pretending you can't see what I meant.

[Steve9347]

the famous "they are who we thought they were" game where he threw 4 picks and looked like hippo s***.

I was in Maui on my honeymoon. I want back.

[Soxbadger]

lol

 

This is hilarious, Rex Grossman is the complete opposite of Lin.

 

Grossman is a BUST. Grossman being a back up is a complete failure. Lin being a back up is completely going through his ceiling.

 

In 2006, no one was saying "OMG who is Rex Grossman, how did he do it?"

 

In 2006 people were saying "Finally Grossman isnt injured and putting up the numbers people expected."

 

How do you not see this?

[Jordan4life_2007]

lol

 

This is hilarious, Rex Grossman is the complete opposite of Lin.

 

Grossman is a BUST. Grossman being a back up is a complete failure. Lin being a back up is completely going through his ceiling.

 

In 2006, no one was saying "OMG who is Rex Grossman, how did he do it?"

 

In 2006 people were saying "Finally Grossman isnt injured and putting up the numbers people expected."

 

How do you not see this?

 

No, I see everything fine. You're the clueless one. This Jeremy Lin crap has been blown up to the point that he can't go back to being a nobody. And it's not just ESPN. This s*** is everywhere. Nba.com, si.com, sportstalk radio, u.s.a. today. He's already been on the cover of si TWICE! In three f***ing weeks. It doesn't matter that he wasn't an all-american in college. Once he comes back down to earth, it will be no different than a highly touted rookie that failed to live up to expectations. And lol@anybody thinking Rex was that good. Nobody thought that.

[MexSoxFan#1]

No, I see everything fine. You're the clueless one. This Jeremy Lin crap has been blown up to the point that he can't go back to being a nobody. And it's not just ESPN. This s*** is everywhere. Nba.com, si.com, sportstalk radio, u.s.a. today. He's already been on the cover of si TWICE! In three f***ing weeks. It doesn't matter that he wasn't an all-american in college. Once he comes back down to earth, it will be no different than a highly touted rookie that failed to live up to expectations. And lol@anybody thinking Rex was that good. Nobody thought that.

If Lin becomes a 12/7 PG, a lot of people will be disappointed and it's not even his fault.

[Soxbadger]

I doubt you watched Grossman play more than 1 game in College, so please just stick to the NBA. Because your argument is lunacy, no one thought Grossman was going to be any good, thats why after his Sophomore year he was projected to be a top 10 pick and after his Junior year he was drafted in the first round.

 

But yes, no one thought a player with a solid 1st round grade would be any good.

 

Here is the SI rating from 2003:

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...ayers/7323.html

 

Grade: 4.15

 

4.99 to 4.10 -- Quality Prospect -- Someone that consistently gives good performances. Occasional Pro-Bowl appearances.

 

This is why Grossman is a bust. Lin can never be a bust, he wasnt drafted.

[MexSoxFan#1]

I doubt you watched Grossman play more than 1 game in College, so please just stick to the NBA. Because your argument is lunacy, no one thought Grossman was going to be any good, thats why after his Sophomore year he was projected to be a top 10 pick and after his Junior year he was drafted in the first round.

 

But yes, no one thought a player with a solid 1st round grade would be any good.

 

Here is the SI rating from 2003:

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...ayers/7323.html

 

Grade: 4.15

 

4.99 to 4.10 -- Quality Prospect -- Someone that consistently gives good performances. Occasional Pro-Bowl appearances.

 

This is why Grossman is a bust. Lin can never be a bust, he wasnt drafted.

Just being a back up PG would be a major accomplishment when you take into consideration he wasn't even offered a scholarship and went undrafted.

 

 

 

[Jordan4life_2007]

I doubt you watched Grossman play more than 1 game in College, so please just stick to the NBA. Because your argument is lunacy, no one thought Grossman was going to be any good, thats why after his Sophomore year he was projected to be a top 10 pick and after his Junior year he was drafted in the first round.

 

But yes, no one thought a player with a solid 1st round grade would be any good.

 

Here is the SI rating from 2003:

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...ayers/7323.html

 

Grade: 4.15

 

4.99 to 4.10 -- Quality Prospect -- Someone that consistently gives good performances. Occasional Pro-Bowl appearances.

 

This is why Grossman is a bust. Lin can never be a bust, he wasnt drafted.

 

Nope. You generate this type of hype, you better live up to it long-term...or else.

[Jordan4life_2007]

Just being a back up PG would be a major accomplishment when you take into consideration he wasn't even offered a scholarship and went undrafted.

 

Backup PGs don't get the cover of SI twice in three weeks. It's too late now. He has to be a star. Or else he'll just be looked at as that asian guy that played well for a little while. Don't mean to be blunt. That's just the way it is.

[GoodAsGould]

I watched it and wondered what the hell happened to Carmelo Anthony. He doesn't look anything like the premiere talent he is; his head is all messed up.

 

I watched it and thought, wow, would I trade Deng straight up for Carmelo Anthony given team makeup? The answer wasn't as easy as I once thought it was.

 

I watched it and realized how my hatred of LeBron James is 100% justifiable. I watched LeBron hit a ridiculous, fadeaway shot one step inside the 3-point line (brilliant, by the way, that's just the worst shot in basketball) and hop backwards down the court with a s***-eating grin and nodding his head like he'd just done something amazing. I watched that game and started to really want LeBron James to die.

 

I watched the game and realized the book is already out on Jeremy Lin and his stay as a factor in the NBA is going to be a really short one if he doesn't truly focus on protecting the ball; some of those turnovers you just don't see in the NBA... and he did it multiple times in the same quarter.

 

I watched that game and felt suffocated by the defense the Heat were playing. Two guys running to the ball at all times.

 

I watched the game, and I got even more worried.

 

Weren't you the one giving me s*** for saying that a few weeks back?

[SoxFan1]

Wait a minute. You watched last night's game and feel MORE confident against the Heat? lol. Whatever.

They're good. They're not unbeatable, however. FAR from it.

 

The Knicks defense is nothing compared to the Bulls defense. Doubling might work against Lin but Rose isn't going to have the same turnovers and if they do double, he's athletic enough to get around it or move the ball.

 

The Heat play good defense. Awesome, so do the Bulls. I didn't see an invincible team beat the Knicks. The fact that the Knicks hung around that long anyway says a lot.

 

The Heat are easy to beat (in theory). Control the glass, especially their offensive boards, don't let them run, and limit your turnovers.

[Jordan4life_2007]

They're good. They're not unbeatable, however. FAR from it.

 

The Knicks defense is nothing compared to the Bulls defense. Doubling might work against Lin but Rose isn't going to have the same turnovers and if they do double, he's athletic enough to get around it or move the ball.

 

The Heat play good defense. Awesome, so do the Bulls. I didn't see an invincible team beat the Knicks. The fact that the Knicks hung around that long anyway says a lot.

 

The Heat are easy to beat (in theory). Control the glass, especially their offensive boards, don't let them run, and limit your turnovers.

 

First of all, they didn't double Lin. Chalmers and Cole took him straight up. Then LeBron and Bosh were the flash guys when they tried to run that futile pick n roll that worked against the Raptors. Second, the Heat don't play good defense. They play GREAT defense. The Bulls are really good, too. But there's system defense and then there's the Heat. They play early 90's doberman Bulls defense. Their quickness and athleticism is unparalleled. If you think the Bulls can beat the Heat, fine. I don't have an issue with that. But I don't see how anything that happened last night would have you thinking, "yeah, now I know the Bulls can beat the Heat."