MexSoxFan#1 Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 2, 2012 -> 04:43 PM) I'd say that Rose actually made a mistake by trying to take Lebron on, he can't do that. The guy is almost as fast as Rose but is also half a foot taller and what, 75 pounds more? He needs to be able to go to other people if Lebron alone is going to try to shut down Rose. Balta, Rose was hampered by a bum ankle, he was hurt in the Pacers series, it slowed him down, LBJ is fast for his size but he isn't that quick/fast.Believe me, just like Kevin Johnson gave MJ fits (MJ was a superior wing defender to LBJ), there is no way a 100% healthy Rose can't beat LBJ off the dribble. You do make a good point though, Rose would need to take it to LBJ and kick out to an open man, just like he did in one of the reg season game last year when he sucked in LBJ and kicked out to Deng who hit an open 3 that won the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (sircaffey @ Jan 2, 2012 -> 04:53 PM) Which will be A LOT tougher to do against this Bulls team. Like you said, the Heat are at their best when they can get to the rim and get out on the fastbreak which is why their weakness in the paint is not a problem you can just overlook. The Bulls will control the paint both defensively and on the boards against the Heat. The Heat will not be able to beat the Bulls relying on the fastbreak. They will have to win it in the half court, which is where the Bulls are great defensively, and the Heat are mediocre offensive. Relying on it? No. They don't have to rely on it. But it's a weapon they appear to be utilizing much more than they did last year (again, very early in the season). Don't know where you get the Bulls controlling the paint offensively and defensively from. Unless that wasn't really Chris Bosh kicking Noah's and Boozer's ass last year to the tune of 23+PPG and like 60% shooting. And it goes both ways in the half-court. Edited January 2, 2012 by Jordan4life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Hey look, j4l is telling everyone how the season will end, like he always does, since he is always right. Right? Didn't the heat win 72+ games last year and the title? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 2, 2012 -> 05:09 PM) Hey look, j4l is telling everyone how the season will end, like he always does, since he is always right. Right? Didn't the heat win 72+ games last year and the title? lol. Whatever. I just throw my opinions out there. You don't see me making Steve-like (LEBRON AND BOSH WILL SIGN WITH CHICAGO!!! BOOK IT!!!) guarantees. And I was like, what, one of 4 billion people wrong about the Heat winning the title last year? Wow. You got me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 2, 2012 -> 04:56 PM) Ronnie Brewer is nailing 3's, therefore we are the best team. Ever. This is possibly the best development for the Bulls this year. If he can become an offensive threat consistently, you can play him 30+ against the Heat on Wade or LeBron with Deng on the other. Bogans, as good at D as he was, was too small to guard LeBron and too slow to guard Wade. Brewer has both the length and athleticism. Brewer is a top-10 defensive wing. I just hope he can continually knock down the open shots. QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Jan 2, 2012 -> 04:58 PM) Balta, Rose was hampered by a bum ankle, he was hurt in the Pacers series, it slowed him down, LBJ is fast for his size but he isn't that quick/fast.Believe me, just like Kevin Johnson gave MJ fits (MJ was a superior wing defender to LBJ), there is no way a 100% healthy Rose can't beat LBJ off the dribble. You do make a good point though, Rose would need to take it to LBJ and kick out to an open man, just like he did in one of the reg season game last year when he sucked in LBJ and kicked out to Deng who hit an open 3 that won the game. What Rose has on LeBron in terms of speed/quickness, LeBron makes up for in size/length. When LBJ is right on top of Rose, speed/quickness goes out the window because he isn't getting by the 6-9, 270-pound freak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jan 2, 2012 -> 05:17 PM) What Rose has on LeBron in terms of speed/quickness, LeBron makes up for in size/length. When LBJ is right on top of Rose, speed/quickness goes out the window because he isn't getting by the 6-9, 270-pound freak. If this is the case, then the Bulls REALLY have no shot. If your best player can't consistently get to the cup and either get to the line or get your 'mates open shots, you're done. I chalked up last year's performance to Rose being extremely young and possibly not being 100% physically. But if he can't beat LeBron off the dribble, sorry, they have no chance. And that's a guarantee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 2, 2012 -> 05:00 PM) Relying on it? No. They don't have to rely on it. But it's a weapon they appear to be utilizing much more than they did last year (again, very early in the season). Don't know where you get the Bulls controlling the paint offensively and defensively from. Unless that wasn't really Chris Bosh kicking Noah's and Boozer's ass last year to the tune of 23+PPG and like 60% shooting. And it goes both ways in the half-court. Did you even watch the series? Let's just ignore the fact that the game plan was clearly to let Bosh do what he wants......Where do I get that the Bulls control the paint defensively and on the boards? Well, why tell you when I can show you???? Look at the shot charts for each game. It's a gross advantage towards the Bulls. And I will tell you this. The Bulls out-rebounded the Heat in 4 of the 5 games and were +21 for the 5 games. Yeah they control the paint. And this was WITHOUT Asik for almost a full 2 games. GM 1: http://espn.go.com/nba/shotchart?gameId=310515004 GM 2: http://espn.go.com/nba/shotchart?gameId=310518004 GM 3: http://espn.go.com/nba/shotchart?gameId=310522014 GM 4: http://espn.go.com/nba/shotchart?gameId=310524014 GM 5: http://espn.go.com/nba/shotchart?gameId=310526004 Edited January 3, 2012 by sircaffey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 QUOTE (sircaffey @ Jan 2, 2012 -> 05:30 PM) Did you even watch the series? Let's just ignore the fact that the game plan was clearly to let Bosh do what he wants......Where do I get that the Bulls control the paint defensively and on the boards? Well, why tell you when I can show you???? Look at the shot charts for each game. It's a gross advantage towards the Bulls. And I will tell you this. The Bulls out-rebounded the Heat in 4 of the 5 games and were +21 for the 5 games. Yeah they control the paint. And this was WITHOUT Asik for almost a full 2 games. GM 1: http://espn.go.com/nba/shotchart?gameId=310522014 GM 2: http://espn.go.com/nba/shotchart?gameId=310522014 GM 3: http://espn.go.com/nba/shotchart?gameId=310524014 GM 4: http://espn.go.com/nba/shotchart?gameId=310524014 GM 5: http://espn.go.com/nba/shotchart?gameId=310526004 What the hell does this prove? Yes, the Bulls thoroughly kicked the crap out of the Heat on the boards in the first game. After that, it's pretty damn even. Let Bosh do whatever he wants? lol. Well they better rethink that strategy. Because that's exactly what he did. Whatever he wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 2, 2012 -> 06:28 PM) If this is the case, then the Bulls REALLY have no shot. If your best player can't consistently get to the cup and either get to the line or get your 'mates open shots, you're done. I chalked up last year's performance to Rose being extremely young and possibly not being 100% physically. But if he can't beat LeBron off the dribble, sorry, they have no chance. And that's a guarantee The issue is...if Rose is being guarded by Lebron, he won't be able to get to the hoop, but that means that Deng, Noah/Boozer, and now Brewer/Rip don't have to have lebron on them. That should create a huge matchup problem, particularly for whoever has to guard Deng, that the Bulls would need to take advantage of. Adding that extra shooting, which hopefully they have added, would spread the court out and make it much more dangerous to keep Lebron on Rose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 2, 2012 -> 05:37 PM) What the hell does this prove? Yes, the Bulls thoroughly kicked the crap out of the Heat on the boards in the first game. After that, it's pretty damn even. Let Bosh do whatever he wants? lol. Well they better rethink that strategy. Because that's exactly what he did. Whatever he wanted. It's not just the rebounding. It's where the shots came from. That's how they "control" the paint. The Heat are only at their best when they can get to the rim. That's an extremely difficult task against this Bulls team. The Bulls lost the series largely because Bosh and Haslem never missed a jump shot, but they controlled the paint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 2, 2012 -> 05:28 PM) If this is the case, then the Bulls REALLY have no shot. If your best player can't consistently get to the cup and either get to the line or get your 'mates open shots, you're done. I chalked up last year's performance to Rose being extremely young and possibly not being 100% physically. But if he can't beat LeBron off the dribble, sorry, they have no chance. And that's a guarantee I agree with your post but I DO think Rose can beat LBJ to the rim, we'll just have to wait and see this year with a more mature, agressive and most importantly, healthy Rose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 (edited) Wolves on pace to score 140 points tonight against San Antonio after the first quarter. And Rubio has only played 1 minute. EDIT: I've probably said this a few times in the last few pages, but I'd really like to stress again how fun it is to watch a pick and roll oriented team after the trainwreck that was the Rambis administration. Edited January 3, 2012 by Felix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Felix @ Jan 2, 2012 -> 07:33 PM) Wolves on pace to score 140 points tonight against San Antonio after the first quarter. And Rubio has only played 1 minute. EDIT: I've probably said this a few times in the last few pages, but I'd really like to stress again how fun it is to watch a pick and roll oriented team after the trainwreck that was the Rambis administration. Only scored 31 in the second quarter, so now only on pace for 132 The team is shooting 67.5% from the floor (71% without Michael Beasley included), as well as 87.5% from beyond the arc. Now the Wolves just need to start playing some defense and we might come out of tonight with win #2. Edited January 3, 2012 by Felix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 (edited) One thing I'll say against the Heat, they definitely do not like to see zone defense. Zone 'em up, rebound the basketball and you've got a much better chance. Edited January 3, 2012 by Jordan4life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Wolves now with a +36 point differential through five games against four of the best teams in the NBA last season. All four of those games were at home, which certainly helps, but the fact that we've been staying with these teams is impressive, regardless of where the games are played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Promising news on Nikola Mirotic It would be nice to see this kid make an impact in the next few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthSideTeacher Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 2, 2012 -> 05:09 PM) Hey look, j4l is telling everyone how the season will end, like he always does, since he is always right. Right? Didn't the heat win 72+ games last year and the title? thanks for this. ughhh. reading some of these posts make my blood boil. back the eff off. It's been 5 games. on a lighter note, I heard a good one today. Congratulations to the future Mrs. LeBron James. Who knew YOU'd be the first to score a ring? hahha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (MurcieOne @ Jan 2, 2012 -> 10:39 PM) Promising news on Nikola Mirotic It would be nice to see this kid make an impact in the next few years. Ideally, Mirotic would come over for the 2013-2014 so he can have one year as a role player and then take over for Boozer as the starting power forward in 2014-2015. But I am guessing he will take an extra year or two. But he looks like a terrific player at only 20 years old. He's got three to four years to add bulk and get an NBA body, which definitely is doable. He already has the skills. Edited January 3, 2012 by maggsmaggs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 So, didn't see the Heat lost. Unbeatable. Also, the Big 3 will be dead tired and one is going to get hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 QUOTE (Felix @ Jan 3, 2012 -> 04:07 AM) JJ Redick would also be a perfect fit, but again, not sure what the Wolves could give up to make it worth Orlando's time. Same goes for Arron Afflalo. I'd love to move Jason Richardson to move Redick into the starting lineup so that we could upgrade at the PG position somehow. Problem is, it'd have to be a 3 way deal, and J-Rich isn't eligible to be dealt until March I believe. Still something like J-Rich to Minny (or back to PHX), Gortat to Minny, and Orlando getting an upgrade on Jameer Nelson (include him if need be) etc. is something that could maybe work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 QUOTE (Felix @ Jan 3, 2012 -> 12:33 PM) EDIT: I've probably said this a few times in the last few pages, but I'd really like to stress again how fun it is to watch a pick and roll oriented team after the trainwreck that was the Rambis administration. Rick Adelman's a pretty decent offensive coach isn't he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev211 Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 NBA League Pass is awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 QUOTE (kev211 @ Jan 3, 2012 -> 03:07 AM) NBA League Pass Free Preview is awesome. Fixed I got it last year but I'll wait for the playoffs package, there will be enough Bulls games on ESPN, TNT and ABC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 2, 2012 -> 11:21 PM) So, didn't see the Heat lost. Unbeatable. Also, the Big 3 will be dead tired and one is going to get hurt. I don't believe anybody said they would go 66-0, I agree with you, in a compressed schedule with so many back to back games, the Heat will wear themselves out if they try to go all out every game with their still weak bench, this is where Chicago's depth will prevail. The Bulls will again have at the very least, the best record in the EC. If Wade doesn't get hurt in this wacky tight season, it will be a minor miracle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Jan 3, 2012 -> 01:54 AM) I'd love to move Jason Richardson to move Redick into the starting lineup so that we could upgrade at the PG position somehow. Problem is, it'd have to be a 3 way deal, and J-Rich isn't eligible to be dealt until March I believe. Still something like J-Rich to Minny (or back to PHX), Gortat to Minny, and Orlando getting an upgrade on Jameer Nelson (include him if need be) etc. is something that could maybe work. Way more interest in Redick than J-Rich. Redick is a much, much better fit for this team. QUOTE (DBAHO @ Jan 3, 2012 -> 01:56 AM) Rick Adelman's a pretty decent offensive coach isn't he. Well, that and Rambis was a truly abysmal offensive coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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