Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 1, 2012 -> 04:38 PM) No I completely understand your point, it just is irrelevant. Good teams lost to bad teams all the time. 1 game does not mean anything. If they go on and win this series in 5 or 6 games, it really doesnt matter. When they play the Heat the focus is going to be entirely different. You keep acting like 1 game where the Pacers lost by 4 points is some sort of harbinger of things to come, that a team cant possibly lose 1 game and then come back and play well. I just entirely disagree. If the Pacers advance, their series with the Heat will start 0-0, regardless of what happened in the previous series. I can bring a plenty of examples where a team loses more games than their opponent in the series before and then beats the opponent. I can bring examples of teams who lost a game in the first round and won the Championship. There just is very little correlation that if you lose a game in a round you will do worse in the next round. No. Contenders don't lose at home in the playoffs against Jason Richardson-led teams. That's just no good. Now you've given an Orlando team that already had no confidence going in hope with the next two games in their building. It doesn't matter if their focus is going to be different vs the Heat. Focus is not going to beat Miami. The Pacers are just not that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 lol This is exactly what Im talking about. Why dont we just give the Heat the trophy? The Pacers (a team that beat them by 15 this year) cant beat them, so why even play the games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 1, 2012 -> 05:58 PM) lol This is exactly what Im talking about. Why dont we just give the Heat the trophy? The Pacers (a team that beat them by 15 this year) cant beat them, so why even play the games? If it wasn't for last year I'd agree, but the Heat can still let themselves down, and the Thunder and hopefully antoher team or two from the West definitely have a shot. Or Lebron could also tear an ACL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 1, 2012 -> 04:58 PM) lol This is exactly what Im talking about. Why dont we just give the Heat the trophy? The Pacers (a team that beat them by 15 this year) cant beat them, so why even play the games? Well, you've already got the Pacers playing the Heat. Aren't you right there doing the same thing you accuse others of doing? And yeah, we should just give the Heat the eastern conference. Sure, a catastrophe could always occur - which is why the games will be played. Just highly unlikely. Edited May 1, 2012 by Jordan4life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 (edited) What are you talking about? I commented how no one was talking about the Pacers. I then said if they play the Heat the Pacers could give them a good fight. How is that putting anyone through? Its merely discussing a potential playoff match up that may occur. No where did I say the Pacers wont lose to the Magic (I just dont think the Magic would have a shot at the Heat) thus my comments about if the Pacers play them. I guess its more interesting to talk about a match up like the Pacers- Heat, then a match up of the Magic - Heat. (edit) And as usual the discussion of a potential Pacers-Heat series devolved into, no one can beat the Heat. Edited May 1, 2012 by Soxbadger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 1, 2012 -> 05:13 PM) What are you talking about? I commented how no one was talking about the Pacers. I then said if they play the Heat the Pacers could give them a good fight. How is that putting anyone through? Its merely discussing a potential playoff match up that may occur. No where did I say the Pacers wont lose to the Magic (I just dont think the Magic would have a shot at the Heat) thus my comments about if the Pacers play them. I guess its more interesting to talk about a match up like the Pacers- Heat, then a match up of the Magic - Heat. (edit) And as usual the discussion of a potential Pacers-Heat series devolved into, no one can beat the Heat. Nobody has been talking about the Pacers all year. It's been obvious since mid-January who by far and away the top two teams in the conference were. Now that Rose is down for the count, why would people start talking about the Pacers now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 I guess because I thought maybe people in this thread had individual opinions and would want to discuss basketball, instead of merely saying "There are only 2 good teams in the East and with Rose injured no one can beat the Heat." If I wanted that type of hard hitting news, Id start watching ESPN again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 If Pacers take game 1 vs the Heat people will start talking about it, but you have to earn the respect and losing in the first round like last season doesn't earn it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 1, 2012 -> 05:24 PM) I guess because I thought maybe people in this thread had individual opinions and would want to discuss basketball, instead of merely saying "There are only 2 good teams in the East and with Rose injured no one can beat the Heat." If I wanted that type of hard hitting news, Id start watching ESPN again. I don't recall you (I could be wrong) at any point this season saying the Pacers could beat the Bulls or Heat. Now that the Bulls are pretty much out of the picture, are you just trying to force yourself to believe that the Pacers can do it? I mean, lay it out there for us. Why can the Pacers beat the Heat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 1, 2012 -> 05:24 PM) I guess because I thought maybe people in this thread had individual opinions and would want to discuss basketball, instead of merely saying "There are only 2 good teams in the East and with Rose injured no one can beat the Heat." If I wanted that type of hard hitting news, Id start watching ESPN again. You could always just start making absolute claims, thats always fun. We can talk about how it is assured the Heat will win every title from 2011 on and will easily eclipse the 72-10 record the Bulls posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Why can the Pacers beat the Heat? Its pretty simple, the Pacers have Hibbert/West, where as the Heat have Bosh/Haslem and friends. If Hibbert can stay out of foul trouble and the Pacers can get the rebounding edge against the Heat, it could be a really long series for the Heat. In the game where the Pacers won, they outrebounded the Heat 49-33 (+16), including 14 offensive rebounds. In the games where the Pacers lost they were outrebounded by 6 and 11 respectively. Furthermore the Pacers squad is just not a great defensive match up for the Heat. Its likely that Lebron takes Granger, which then puts Bosh on West and Wade rotating on whoever they think is more dangerous at the moment (Collison, Price, George, whoever.) When you look at that the clear problem for the Heat is Hibbert (much like the Howard situation) except for the Pacers PF is better than the Magic. Either way, there is likely going to be a front court mismatch for the Pacers that the Heat just do not have an answer for. Now this is not to say the Pacers will win, or even will be the favorites, it is more to suggest that if the Heat do not play their best game and the Pacers can take advantage of what should be there inherent rebounding/inside advantage, the Heat could lose. It has nothing to do with the Bulls or Rose or anything. If you go back through this thread, I dont post much until after NCAA season. I just dont have the time to be seriously following 2 basketball sports at the same time, so most of my activity comes after the NCAA tournament. Now that we are in the playoffs and you have some indication of what the match ups would be, its easier to talk about. Im not sure if I said it, but another poster said that it would be huge for the Bulls to avoid the Pacers in round 2 and I agreed with that wholeheartedly. The implication obviously was that the Pacers could have given a healthy Bulls a challenge. I personally find discussing the actual match ups more interesting than saying "The Heat cant lose". Now maybe the Heat will win, they have to be the favorites, but favorites dont always win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 1, 2012 -> 05:38 PM) You could always just start making absolute claims, thats always fun. We can talk about how it is assured the Heat will win every title from 2011 on and will easily eclipse the 72-10 record the Bulls posted. haha im pretty sure in last years NBA thread Im on record as saying I dont think the Heat will ever break that record and that I didnt think they were put together very well because Lebron/Wade is hard to coexist. If anything Im just sticking to my original belief that the Heat arent as great as people believe they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 1, 2012 -> 05:47 PM) Why can the Pacers beat the Heat? Its pretty simple, the Pacers have Hibbert/West, where as the Heat have Bosh/Haslem and friends. If Hibbert can stay out of foul trouble and the Pacers can get the rebounding edge against the Heat, it could be a really long series for the Heat. In the game where the Pacers won, they outrebounded the Heat 49-33 (+16), including 14 offensive rebounds. In the games where the Pacers lost they were outrebounded by 6 and 11 respectively. Furthermore the Pacers squad is just not a great defensive match up for the Heat. Its likely that Lebron takes Granger, which then puts Bosh on West and Wade rotating on whoever they think is more dangerous at the moment (Collison, Price, George, whoever.) When you look at that the clear problem for the Heat is Hibbert (much like the Howard situation) except for the Pacers PF is better than the Magic. Either way, there is likely going to be a front court mismatch for the Pacers that the Heat just do not have an answer for. Now this is not to say the Pacers will win, or even will be the favorites, it is more to suggest that if the Heat do not play their best game and the Pacers can take advantage of what should be there inherent rebounding/inside advantage, the Heat could lose. It has nothing to do with the Bulls or Rose or anything. If you go back through this thread, I dont post much until after NCAA season. I just dont have the time to be seriously following 2 basketball sports at the same time, so most of my activity comes after the NCAA tournament. Now that we are in the playoffs and you have some indication of what the match ups would be, its easier to talk about. Im not sure if I said it, but another poster said that it would be huge for the Bulls to avoid the Pacers in round 2 and I agreed with that wholeheartedly. The implication obviously was that the Pacers could have given a healthy Bulls a challenge. I personally find discussing the actual match ups more interesting than saying "The Heat cant lose". Now maybe the Heat will win, they have to be the favorites, but favorites dont always win. Other than overrating the hell out of Roy Hibbert, I don't really see where you're coming from here. I mean, you're entitled to your opinion. I can only speak for myself, obviously. I just don't get why you're so dumbfounded that nobody is talking about the Pacers when it's been Heat/Bulls all year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Hibbert 12-9 West 12-6 Hansbrough 9-4 Miami front court: Bosh 18-6 Haslem 6-7 Anthony 3-4 Hibberts per of 19.4 (i do hate this stat) was better than Bosh's per of 18.8 I do love Hibbert though, I guess Im nostalgic for Georgetown Centers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Hibbert is piece of s***. It should be noted I can't stand him because of his big talk and bravado. "We will NOT get swept." Remember that last year? He was definitely super-tough-man. Great declaration moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 1, 2012 -> 06:00 PM) Hibbert 12-9 West 12-6 Hansbrough 9-4 Miami front court: Bosh 18-6 Haslem 6-7 Anthony 3-4 Hibberts per of 19.4 (i do hate this stat) was better than Bosh's per of 18.8 I do love Hibbert though, I guess Im nostalgic for Georgetown Centers. lol. You hate the stat but you're gonna use it anyway if it can somehow support your case. You had the audacity to say that Hibbert, like Howard, gives the Heat major match-up problems. That's just false. Anyway, this is now entering Balta/2K5 territory. If LeBron tears his ACL instead of Rose, the Bulls are automatically in the finals. Ain't nobody gonna be saying "look out for the Pacers." I'm done now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ May 1, 2012 -> 06:07 PM) lol. You hate the stat but you're gonna use it anyway if it can somehow support your case. You had the audacity to say that Hibbert, like Howard, gives the Heat major match-up problems. That's just false. Anyway, this is now entering Balta/2K5 territory. If LeBron tears his ACL instead of Rose, the Bulls are automatically in the finals. Ain't nobody gonna be saying "look out for the Pacers." I'm done now. The bold is false, where did I ever use the word "major". I said that Hibbert would be a match up problem. If you want to disagree with that go ahead. And just go back to meming, that is what you are good at. HEAT CANT BE BEAT!!!!!! Its just so boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 1, 2012 -> 06:11 PM) The bold is false, where did I ever use the word "major". I said that Hibbert would be a match up problem. If you want to disagree with that go ahead. And just go back to meming, that is what you are good at. HEAT CANT BE BEAT!!!!!! Its just so boring. There are 2 people who post in this thread you shouldn't waste your time arguing because once their mind is set that is just the way things are, you chose one of them I'd give up if I were you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 While I certainly believe that anything can happen in competitive sports like this, I think Rose-less Bulls vs Heat is more interesting than Indiana vs Heat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 1, 2012 -> 05:47 PM) Why can the Pacers beat the Heat? Its pretty simple, the Pacers have Hibbert/West, where as the Heat have Bosh/Haslem and friends. If Hibbert can stay out of foul trouble and the Pacers can get the rebounding edge against the Heat, it could be a really long series for the Heat. In the game where the Pacers won, they outrebounded the Heat 49-33 (+16), including 14 offensive rebounds. In the games where the Pacers lost they were outrebounded by 6 and 11 respectively. Furthermore the Pacers squad is just not a great defensive match up for the Heat. Its likely that Lebron takes Granger, which then puts Bosh on West and Wade rotating on whoever they think is more dangerous at the moment (Collison, Price, George, whoever.) When you look at that the clear problem for the Heat is Hibbert (much like the Howard situation) except for the Pacers PF is better than the Magic. Either way, there is likely going to be a front court mismatch for the Pacers that the Heat just do not have an answer for. Now this is not to say the Pacers will win, or even will be the favorites, it is more to suggest that if the Heat do not play their best game and the Pacers can take advantage of what should be there inherent rebounding/inside advantage, the Heat could lose. It has nothing to do with the Bulls or Rose or anything. If you go back through this thread, I dont post much until after NCAA season. I just dont have the time to be seriously following 2 basketball sports at the same time, so most of my activity comes after the NCAA tournament. Now that we are in the playoffs and you have some indication of what the match ups would be, its easier to talk about. Im not sure if I said it, but another poster said that it would be huge for the Bulls to avoid the Pacers in round 2 and I agreed with that wholeheartedly. The implication obviously was that the Pacers could have given a healthy Bulls a challenge. I personally find discussing the actual match ups more interesting than saying "The Heat cant lose". Now maybe the Heat will win, they have to be the favorites, but favorites dont always win. The Pacers were 1-3 against Miami this year, losing by 35, 15, and 2, while winning their one game by two. I'm not sure how that is supposed to make me think the Pacers can stick with Miami? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 1, 2012 -> 07:08 PM) The Pacers were 1-3 against Miami this year, losing by 35, 15, and 2, while winning their one game by two. I'm not sure how that is supposed to make me think the Pacers can stick with Miami? The Pacers actually won their one game by 15. Point remains the same. If LeBron had torn his ACL, everybody here (including me) would have the Bulls in the finals. Badger just like to be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Good game so far. The Bulls are definitely not lacking energy wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Rose looked like he was going to cry bringing out that game ball, and so did Doug Collins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Carlos Boozer bringing the intensity early on. We're going to win this unless the 76ers plan to shoot above 60% the entire game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Noah just scored on a Rose runner. It was tight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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