2011-2012 NBA Season Thread

[Jenksismyhero]

After some reflection, that game sucked. Thibs deserves blame for his atrocious rotation decisions the last month, and specifically in this series. How Taj doesn't start this game is beyond me. His decision to not give Taj and Asik a breather at any point in the 4th ended up being the downfall. CJ Watson, get the f*** out of town. Last year was lots of b****ing about not getting enough playing time, and this year you crap the bed. Thanks for the great game against the Heat, but that means nothing now. And Boozer. God dammit. I defended you for 90% of this season. But you are terrible. You are a waste. Is it too late to amnesty you? Two baskets. TWO f***ING baskets from you and this series is headed back to Chicago. But you suck.

 

118 days until the NFL season starts. What a s***ty, s***ty summer to look forward to.

[Chisoxfn]

CJ Watson must be the dumbest player, the second dumbest is Thibs to have Asik in the game.

Asik missed 2 free throws but you couldn't expect much other then that. It isn't like the Bulls were sitting on a timeout to get him out of the game. Asik hit the shot that put em up in the 1st place.

[Chisoxfn]

Thats not the point Im making.

 

The Bulls should have won this series without Rose and Noah. They were up 15 in a game, they were up 11 game in a game and lost both. They were up tonight and lost again.

 

Sure they didnt have Rose or Noah, but this was a 1 v 8. When the Bulls play the Heat, they wont have the advantage of dramatically more talent. Mistakes like these will crush.

 

Its just a bad harbinger, because they could have won this series.

Or on the flipside they were down in most of the games by the same magnitude. Things can be said both ways and Thibbs was going up against a very good coach. Both did some good things despite having limited talent on the teams. The Bulls lost because of what I believe to be a tick tack foul at the end of the game and stupid stupid play by CJ Watson. I don't know why the Bulls went for the rebound but I don't think Thibbs called for that.

[Chisoxfn]

Thats not an excuse for Thibs though.

 

Asik was dead tired and a bad ft shooter, he should have been pulled from the game at 2 minutes left.

 

He does this stuff all the time with players and how he handles them, Rose just makes up for it with brilliance.

Asik was a f***ing beast defensively in that 4th quarter and he hit what should have been the dunk that sealed the game. The Bulls played bad. Watson and Lucas were god awful and on a team that has no one that can create when your pg play is as bad as theirs was for an entire series, I don't even know how they were in the games they were in (oh ya, because they play ridiculous defense...why...because our players bought into our coaches system).

 

Look, the Bulls lost and I'm sure Thibbs would like to take things back, but how about we hold the players accountable and also realize the true limitations of this squad).

[southsider2k5]

I threw this out there during the nashing of the teeth last night, but should the Bulls consider trading Noah to try to bring a scoring star here, and using Taj as a starter?

[Soxbadger]

Sorry, I don't care how biased this sounds, but if the Bulls play with a healthy Rose, Deng, Hamilton, Noah which they didn't do ONCE this entire season they are the best team in the NBA by far and would have ran away with the title.

 

Anyone who disagrees I really do not care, we just had the best record in the NBA with not one game this entire season fully healthy, and would have ran away with the title. The only team who would have posed a challenge is the thunder since Miami isn't really that good as I stated in January(don't feel like finding that post but I said it)

 

It just sucks knowing what SHOULD have been

 

Edit: Also as mean as this sounds stop posting in this thread thinking you're mister know it all(because that is literally all you've been doing), you've openly admitted to not watching the NBA until early April because of NCAA garbage basketball. Because of this your opinion is almost worthless.

 

 

Sorry for having an opinion, I watched 50+ Bulls games this season, I would think that is watching enough basketball.

 

As for your NCAA comment, perhaps you should watch some, because you would learn about basketball.

 

Right you keep talking about the "PERFECT" conditions for the Bulls winning. Everyone has to be healthy, sorry I dont play that game. I work in an industry where you prepare for the WORST and hope for the best. So when you talk about beating the Heat and winning the NBA Championship, I am not going to just hope the stars align and every one of my players is completely healthy, that is just unrealistic.

 

Injuries are going to occur, over the last 2 years not once have the Bulls been really completely healthy, so we can take 2 positions. You take position 1) Well since they werent healthy for the last 2 years, they are bound to be healthy next year. I take position 2) since they have never been healthy, the chances that they are 100% healthy next year are negligible (you know having Rose and Deng both coming off of surgery) so the Bulls need to get better because they cant just hope to be healthy.

 

Disagree with that, agree with that, but what is funny, is you say I dont know anything about the NBA, yet you dont even point out what I said was wrong?

 

Maybe it was complaining about Thibs use of Taj starting in game 2, maybe it was my comment that Asik was dead tired and the Bulls may need to give him a rest in the 4th, maybe it was my comment that CJ Watson's pass to Asik was one of the dumbest basketball plays Ive seen, maybe it was the comment about why Thibs didnt call a player over and tell them that at least 3 players need to be focusing on preventing an easy break away with 7 seconds left.

 

I dont know, I guess I just dont take solace in the excuse of injuries. Injuries happen, but they dont excuse many of the things that have occurred with the Bulls. So if you just blindly put on injuries, the Bulls are going to be in the damn same spot the next 2 years. They need to learn from this, they need to see that they are way to reliant on Rose bailing them out, that they need to have a more pass oriented offense, not just have a PG stand at the top and pound the rock.

 

You want to argue about how the Bulls shouldnt be doing those things, about how because I only watched 50 games I dont know what Im talking about.

 

Go ahead and tell me, tell me how this Bulls team, with an aging Rip, with Deng/Rose coming off of surgery, is just going to be better next year because they are healthy.

 

That just seems to be hoping and wishing, and that is a waste of time, when you can actually go and make improvements. Simple things that can help the Bulls going forward.

 

You dont want to make those changes, fine, but dont say it has anything to do with how much NBA I watch, or any of that weak sauce.

 

Chisox,

 

I do blame the players, I just am tired of hearing that it was only because of injuries and Thibs always getting free passes because they win a lot of games.

 

2 years in a row the best record, lost 4-1 to the Heat year 1 and beat in 1st round the second year.

 

Im sorry but when Rose went down, I was arguing that the Bulls could still face Miami. I mean why not? Not for one second did I watch this series and think that the Bulls just didnt have the talent. I watched the series and wondered what the hell was going on with the use of the Bulls talent.

 

For example, its game 6, why is Taj not starting? He is your spark, your energy, get him out there and try and get an early lead. Pressure the 76ers early, get the game out of hand. What about game 3 when Taj was on the bench the entire first quarter and the Bulls got down 10?

 

If you read my posts, I always say #1 is Watson.

 

I just am really concerned about beating Miami. I doubt the Bulls get the #1 seed next year, so already the stars arent aligned. In a series where Miami has potentially 4 home games, the Bulls are going to have to play even better. You just cant have a coach holding them back.

 

There just is no explanation.

[Jenksismyhero]

I threw this out there during the nashing of the teeth last night, but should the Bulls consider trading Noah to try to bring a scoring star here, and using Taj as a starter?

 

100% yes.

[MexSoxFan#1]

Boy, am I glad I wasn't able to watch the game last night.

 

Oh well...GO CELTICS!

[Soxbadger]

I really dont want the bulls to trade Noah, they really need to get the scorer through the draft some how. The Bulls killed themselves with Boozer. Ive hated that signing every day.

[ZoomSlowik]

Sorry, I don't care how biased this sounds, but if the Bulls play with a healthy Rose, Deng, Hamilton, Noah which they didn't do ONCE this entire season they are the best team in the NBA by far and would have ran away with the title.

 

Anyone who disagrees I really do not care, we just had the best record in the NBA with not one game this entire season fully healthy, and would have ran away with the title. The only team who would have posed a challenge is the thunder since Miami isn't really that good as I stated in January(don't feel like finding that post but I said it)

 

It just sucks knowing what SHOULD have been

 

The regular season means jack s***. Cleveland was the #1 seed twice, do you see anyone giving Lebron a break because of that? There's a big difference between steam-rolling the Clevelands and Detroits of the league and occasionally beating someone good and winning several 7-game series against other playoff teams. The Bulls are well equipped to win in the regular season because they play hard almost every night and have depth. In the playoffs, everyone plays hard and nearly every team has guys that can make plays. It's a totally different animal, which is why the banged up Bulls didn't prevail like they did for much of the regular season.

Edited May 11, 2012 by ZoomSlowik

[southsider2k5]

I really dont want the bulls to trade Noah, they really need to get the scorer through the draft some how. The Bulls killed themselves with Boozer. Ive hated that signing every day.

 

They are drafting at the end of the first round. They aren't finding a scorer there.

[Steve9347]

Chris "Birdman" had child pr0n.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/10/c...html?ref=sports

Edited May 11, 2012 by Steve9347

[LittleHurt05]

Chris "Birdman" had child pr0n.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/10/c...html?ref=sports

 

LOL, nowhere in the article does it say that, but way to declare him guilty already.

[Middle Buffalo]

Chris "Birdman" had child pr0n.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/10/c...html?ref=sports

There's something really wrong with the nature of the investigation being released prior to any charges being filed. Even IF Anderson is found not guilty, he'll never recover. I don't have much compassion for him if he is involved in child porn in some way, but the information leaking out so quickly is really unfair.

[BigSqwert]

There's something really wrong with the nature of the investigation being released prior to any charges being filed. Even IF Anderson is found not guilty, he'll never recover. I don't have much compassion for him if he is involved in child porn in some way, but the information leaking out so quickly is really unfair.

Agreed

[Jordan4life_2007]

The regular season means jack s***. Cleveland was the #1 seed twice, do you see anyone giving Lebron a break because of that? There's a big difference between steam-rolling the Clevelands and Detroits of the league and occasionally beating someone good and winning several 7-game series against other playoff teams. The Bulls are well equipped to win in the regular season because they play hard almost every night and have depth. In the playoffs, everyone plays hard and nearly every team has guys that can make plays. It's a totally different animal, which is why the banged up Bulls didn't prevail like they did for much of the regular season.

 

The regular season seems to be getting more and more irrelevant every year. Teams with the best records since 2004:

 

Pacers 61 wins : lose in conference finals

Suns 62 wins: lose in conference finals

Pistons 64 wins: lose in conference finals

Mavs 67 wins: lose in first round

Celtics 66 wins: win nba finals

Cavs 66 wins: lose in conference finals

Cavs 61 wins: lose in second round

Bulls 62 wins: lose in conference finals

Bulls 50 wins: lose in first round

 

So that's one team since '04 with the best record that's gone on to win it all. Only thing most regular season wins guarantees you is that you'll start your series at home. The Heat basically threw the last week of the season because they didn't care about HC. They were gonna get their guys as much rest as possible. Three most important factors going into the playoffs: relatively good health, as there's no such thing as every player on your roster being 100% healthy. Peaking at the right time (mid-to-late March and April). And getting the right match-ups. HC is a distant 4th most important factor.

Edited May 11, 2012 by Jordan4life

[Soxbadger]

The regular season means jack s***. Cleveland was the #1 seed twice, do you see anyone giving Lebron a break because of that? There's a big difference between steam-rolling the Clevelands and Detroits of the league and occasionally beating someone good and winning several 7-game series against other playoff teams. The Bulls are well equipped to win in the regular season because they play hard almost every night and have depth. In the playoffs, everyone plays hard and nearly every team has guys that can make plays. It's a totally different animal, which is why the banged up Bulls didn't prevail like they did for much of the regular season.

 

You dont know s*** Zoom, you watch college basketball like me.

 

 

I agree with what your saying and this series opened my eyes. I used to argue against J4l and you that the Bulls depth, etc, would really be a big factor. The problem is that you dont really need that much depth in the playoffs unless you get injured and if you get injured your screwed anyway.

 

J4L,

 

And being healthy sometimes means you rest guys more minutes in the regular season and you dont just grind them so hard their is nothing left in the playoffs.

 

The conundrum for the Bulls is Im not sure if they can beat the Heat if the Heat have HC. So they need to play the regular season much harder to give them that advantage.

 

Ss2k,

 

The Bulls are in a bind because of Boozer. There just are no good options, I guess Id have to see what the offer for Noah was.

Edited May 11, 2012 by Soxbadger

[southsider2k5]

You dont know s*** Zoom, you watch college basketball like me.

 

 

I agree with what your saying and this series opened my eyes. I used to argue against J4l and you that the Bulls depth, etc, would really be a big factor. The problem is that you dont really need that much depth in the playoffs unless you get injured and if you get injured your screwed anyway.

 

J4L,

 

And being healthy sometimes means you rest guys more minutes in the regular season and you dont just grind them so hard their is nothing left in the playoffs.

 

The conundrum for the Bulls is Im not sure if they can beat the Heat if the Heat have HC. So they need to play the regular season much harder to give them that advantage.

 

Ss2k,

 

The Bulls are in a bind because of Boozer. There just are no good options, I guess Id have to see what the offer for Noah was.

 

If they can't deal him, or acquire another 4, they can always use the amnesty clause on him.

[Soxbadger]

I think Zoom has said that amnestying Boozer does basically nothing as theyd still be over cap and thus only able to sign MLE anyways.

 

If he didnt say that, sorry Zoom!

[Jake]

If they can't deal him, or acquire another 4, they can always use the amnesty clause on him.

 

Sounds like amnesty only makes sense if we can make a subsequent move to free up more cap space. Wonder what that would be.

 

BTW, I've seen some other boards talk about Kirk Hinrich and I have to say he might fit. Two caveats:

1. Can he/will he run the point guard spot anymore?

2. Can we afford him? I wouldn't give him more than mid-level exception type of cash, maybe not that much

 

You would then draft a point guard to be his backup while Derrick is out. Kirk would play more 2 once Derrick came back. I think he could make a great sixth man, but I haven't really seen him play for a while and there might be problems with cost:benefit. Any thoughts on this?

 

^^^ this doesn't put you over the top either, so you'd have to do something else as well. Anyone think we'd make a run at Steve Nash? On one hand it sounds attractive, but this dude has never played defense.

 

Any other folks to keep an eye on in free agency, etc?

 

 

 

 

 

[southsider2k5]

I think Zoom has said that amnestying Boozer does basically nothing as theyd still be over cap and thus only able to sign MLE anyways.

 

If he didnt say that, sorry Zoom!

 

It could keep them out of luxury tax territory though.

[Jordan4life_2007]

So I take it folks here believe Taj could hold down the PF spot as a starter? I'm not saying he can't. If the Spurs can get away with DeJuan Blair and the great Boris Diaw at C, anything is possible. Taj is so good in the role he's in now. I'd hate to see him get messed up by being asked to do much. That's only IF you get rid of Boozer, obviously.

[Soxbadger]

I dont think Taj could do worse than Boozer, and you gotta give him a chance to be a starter. Hes done everything thats been asked, he just deserves a shot.

[southsider2k5]

So I take it folks here believe Taj could hold down the PF spot as a starter? I'm not saying he can't. If the Spurs can get away with DeJuan Blair and the great Boris Diaw at C, anything is possible. Taj is so good in the role he's in now. I'd hate to see him get messed up by being asked to do much. That's only IF you get rid of Boozer, obviously.

 

I think he is best in a sixth man type role, but if you got a second star to go with Rose at the 2 or 5, you could get away with it.

[2nd_city_saint787]

I recorded inside the NBA after the lakers game to see what all those guys had to say and just like I thought CJ was fouled twice before Asik got fouled....That final minute of the game was a hell (or hail) storm as Barkley said.

 

Was it Thibs call to crash the boards after the miss or is it just a mental lapse?? Either way it should have never got to that point as 1. CJ got fouled twice and 2. With the no calls CJ should have never gave the ball up to Asik, a Marion Barber moment right there...