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QUOTE (Jake @ May 31, 2012 -> 07:31 PM)
Porn stars would be at the bottom of my list of people to have sex with

 

I'm pretty sure they constantly get tested for STDs. If anything, they're a lot cleaner than your average prostitute or escort.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 31, 2012 -> 05:31 PM)
Marcus Jordan tweets a hookup message to a pornstar that seemingly should have been a direct message.

 

lol whoops

 

ooo so that's how you talk to porn stars end with $$ :)

 

 

rofl he said someone sent it as a joke.

 

"Lol everybody that knows me knows I would never send an "Accidental" tweet like that.. Whoever it was, nice prank tho. #CmonSon #KeepItMovin"

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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 29, 2012 -> 05:31 PM)
Pau is significantly better then Boozer. However, I don't understand such a deal without being able to move Boozer for a SF.

 

 

QUOTE (chw42 @ May 29, 2012 -> 09:11 PM)
Oops. My bad.

 

But still, my question remains. Who can we get for Boozer that has a similar contract, but is a semi-productive SF?

 

 

I know I've thrown my 2 cents in a few times on the subject but something else popped up now. In my previous 2 posts I mentioned my desire to get back a SF with an expiring contract failing to realize the Bulls already have 2 of them on the team...Korver and Brewer...If they cant make a good trade for Boozer, amnesty him....

 

Lets say someone signs him for 8 mill so the Bulls save 8 mill, take that 8 plus Korver, Brewer, and CJs 13 mill combined for a total of 21 mill for 2013. That money could give them enough to get a SG like Curry, Ellis,Martin, or Harden should any become free agents and Taj Gibson.

 

Lets say the Pau deal is for Deng, Asik, and Korver or Brewer (maybe future picks as well)....Trade CJ to Golden State for one of their 4 picks, either 30 or 35... Draft John Jenkins and Tony Wroten... Use the MLE on Hinrich, and get a league minimum big for the year.

 

 

Hinrich/Wroten

Rip/Jenkins

Brewer/Butler

Pau/Taj

Noah/ Big

 

Year after that when Rose comes back (I know he might come back late next year)

 

Rose/Wroten

Martin/Jenkins (Just used martin as an example)

Butler/Rookie (Yes I believe Butler can be a starter in the league)

Pau/Taj

Noah/Mirotic

 

 

...Or somethin like that...

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QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ May 31, 2012 -> 11:47 PM)
I know I've thrown my 2 cents in a few times on the subject but something else popped up now. In my previous 2 posts I mentioned my desire to get back a SF with an expiring contract failing to realize the Bulls already have 2 of them on the team...Korver and Brewer...If they cant make a good trade for Boozer, amnesty him....

 

Lets say someone signs him for 8 mill so the Bulls save 8 mill, take that 8 plus Korver, Brewer, and CJs 13 mill combined for a total of 21 mill for 2013. That money could give them enough to get a SG like Curry, Ellis,Martin, or Harden should any become free agents and Taj Gibson.

Lets say the Pau deal is for Deng, Asik, and Korver or Brewer (maybe future picks as well)....Trade CJ to Golden State for one of their 4 picks, either 30 or 35... Draft John Jenkins and Tony Wroten... Use the MLE on Hinrich, and get a league minimum big for the year.

 

 

Hinrich/Wroten

Rip/Jenkins

Brewer/Butler

Pau/Taj

Noah/ Big

 

Year after that when Rose comes back (I know he might come back late next year)

 

Rose/Wroten

Martin/Jenkins (Just used martin as an example)

Butler/Rookie (Yes I believe Butler can be a starter in the league)

Pau/Taj

Noah/Mirotic

 

 

...Or somethin like that...

That still doesn't work. If the Bulls are sitting there with Noah + Rose + Pau's contracts on the books, they are simply no where near able to offer a free agent contract. Ditto Rose + Noah + Deng Those 3 alone come to $44 million, with the cap being at $56-$58 million. Pau is even worse than Deng in this regard, Pau + Rose is nearly $40 million. Throw in keeping Taj, Butler and anyone else for maybe >$5 million a year, and the Bulls would only have $5 mil or less to offer Martin.

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QUOTE (farmteam @ May 31, 2012 -> 11:17 PM)
I still want OKC to win it all.

It's so hard to come back from down 2-0, but obviously they've started things off alright. It's amazing the hard-headed Brooks finally figured out to put Thabo on Parker.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 1, 2012 -> 08:21 AM)
That still doesn't work. If the Bulls are sitting there with Noah + Rose + Pau's contracts on the books, they are simply no where near able to offer a free agent contract. Ditto Rose + Noah + Deng Those 3 alone come to $44 million, with the cap being at $56-$58 million. Pau is even worse than Deng in this regard, Pau + Rose is nearly $40 million. Throw in keeping Taj, Butler and anyone else for maybe >$5 million a year, and the Bulls would only have $5 mil or less to offer Martin.

 

Blah, ya I didnt notice that right now they're 11 mill over the cap....Now a Pau trade doesnt make much sense to me.

 

Rose+Pau+Cap relief to sign a GOOD sg > Rose+Deng+Boozer

 

Rose+Pau+Cap relief to sign a mediocre sg

 

What if they let Taj walk and go with the below for 2013??

 

Rose/2012 DP .....Or dare I say lil Johnny Lucus??

Martin/2012 DP

Butler/2013 DP

Pau/Mirotic

Noah/2013 DP

 

DP= Draft Pick....That 2012 SG DP id go with a SG capable of playing SF and use this coming up season as a position battle between him and Butler for the starting SF position the following year....If both fail they should still have their MLE.

 

 

#IHaveNothingBetterToDo

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How are they getting Kevin Martin? What are they trading for him? Rose + Pau + Noah + 2 2012 draft picks + Butler is >$50 million in salary commits, leaving ~$5 million under the cap to offer to FA's. Martin is a FA after next year correct, but the Bulls won't have the money to sign him if anyone offers the MLE. They could swap Deng for him pretty readily if the Bulls took on 1 filler player, but then the Rockets would have to want Deng's contract.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 1, 2012 -> 08:21 AM)
That still doesn't work. If the Bulls are sitting there with Noah + Rose + Pau's contracts on the books, they are simply no where near able to offer a free agent contract. Ditto Rose + Noah + Deng Those 3 alone come to $44 million, with the cap being at $56-$58 million. Pau is even worse than Deng in this regard, Pau + Rose is nearly $40 million. Throw in keeping Taj, Butler and anyone else for maybe >$5 million a year, and the Bulls would only have $5 mil or less to offer Martin.

 

I have them signing him next year

 

Knocking out resigning Taj, which I had at 5 mill, plus the 5 mill you said they might have for Martin...10 Mil should get one of the free agent sgs next year if they're more about winning a championship than the $$.

 

I'll also add that Im pulling this all out of my ass since the only $$ I'm looking at is the figures on the NBA trade machine.

 

Just trying to kill time before the Sox game.

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QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Jun 1, 2012 -> 10:46 AM)
I have them signing him next year

 

Knocking out resigning Taj, which I had at 5 mill, plus the 5 mill you said they might have for Martin...10 Mil should get one of the free agent sgs next year if they're more about winning a championship than the $$.

 

I'll also add that Im pulling this all out of my ass since the only $$ I'm looking at is the figures on the NBA trade machine.

 

Just trying to kill time before the Sox game.

 

You're not getting it. You keep subtracting guys and then replacing the salary, but it doesn't work that way. You need to add up what you have and compare that to the cap space.

 

Rose+Pau+Noah is like $48 million in salary. Even if you're generous on the cap, that'd leave like $12 million for the rest of the roster. Unless you can convince the other 8 guys to play for free, you don't have enough room to sign a free agent of any consequence. Butler, Mirotic and the first rounder this year are all going to make at least $1 mil, same for the first next year.

 

Then factor in that the cap isn't likely to be $60 mil (admittedly I don't totally know how that works in the new CBA) and my usual salary website doesn't have Rose's yearly cap figures (it may be higher, I'm estimating 17), and you basically are left with only cap space equivalent to the MLE to try to sign your SG, nowhere near enough to get anyone of that caliber.

 

The same is basically true if you keep Rose, Noah and Deng. Their total would be about $5 mil lower. That'd leave a little more room, but by the time you add the draft picks and assorted roster filler, you won't have the room to sign another big time free agent (for this purpose, someone making more than about $8 mil).

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That last post was going off the bolded statement in the quote that said the bulls could resign Taj, Butler, and still have around 5 mill for Martin... From that statement I figured theyd have around 10 if they didnt sign Taj....Once again I will admit I have no idea about the cap situation in the NBA. How we're they allowed to be 11 mill over the cap this year??

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QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Jun 1, 2012 -> 11:22 AM)
That last post was going off the bolded statement in the quote that said the bulls could resign Taj, Butler, and still have around 5 mill for Martin... From that statement I figured theyd have around 10 if they didnt sign Taj....Once again I will admit I have no idea about the cap situation in the NBA. How we're they allowed to be 11 mill over the cap this year??

 

You were already only at $5 mil in space with Taj off the roster. Again, Rose+Gasol+Noah+draft picks eats up over $50 million.

 

They're way over the cap because Rose and Noah's extensions hadn't kicked in yet when they signed Boozer. You can go over the cap to keep your own players, but they still count against your cap figure. The salary cap of $58 mil (varies) really only matters when you're trying to sign free agents, which is pretty important here.

 

Edit- Balta's last part didn't include Noah. So you'd have Rose, Gasol, and either Taj/filler or SG/less filler.

 

 

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QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jun 1, 2012 -> 11:28 AM)
You were already only at $5 mil in space with Taj off the roster. Again, Rose+Gasol+Noah+draft picks eats up over $50 million.

 

They're way over the cap because Rose and Noah's extensions hadn't kicked in yet when they signed Boozer. You can go over the cap to keep your own players, but they still count against your cap figure. The salary cap of $58 mil (varies) really only matters when you're trying to sign free agents, which is pretty important here.

 

Edit- Balta's last part didn't include Noah. So you'd have Rose, Gasol, and either Taj/filler or SG/less filler.

 

 

Gotcha, once again just trying to kill time and make sense of a Pau trade. Its entertained me with no Sox game for 48+ hours.

 

 

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