Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 09:11 PM) Im not sure it was running out of gas as much as it was failing to hold leads and lacking the mental makeup to win a huge playoff series. But yea, that was on Thibs and his rotations... OK. Oh and if Rose wasn't OK to play I'm sure he wouldnt have played. Rose probably wants to be out there to keep his stats up a little bit (back to back MVP hopes n stuff). lol. First of all, LeBron wants his MVP back. So that's that. Second, somebody needs to let Derrick know that he's NOT a 3-point shooter and has no business taking 5 a night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 It was Rose running out of gas and spraining an ankle. Luol is a machine. Butler is a rookie that had no preseason. Give it time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 09:18 PM) lol. First of all, LeBron wants his MVP back. So that's that. Second, somebody needs to let Derrick know that he's NOT a 3-point shooter and has no business taking 5 a night. He had to force two of them up today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) Detroit's offense is so damn bad. 66 points? Really? And Scal scores! Edited January 10, 2012 by chw42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 DA MAMBA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 09:19 PM) He had to force two of them up today. True. But he was shooting 29% coming into tonight. And he was below league-average last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 09:11 PM) Im not sure it was running out of gas as much as it was failing to hold leads and lacking the mental makeup to win a huge playoff series. But yea, that was on Thibs and his rotations... OK. Oh and if Rose wasn't OK to play I'm sure he wouldnt have played. Rose probably wants to be out there to keep his stats up a little bit (back to back MVP hopes n stuff). I don't think this post serves any justice to Rose. Rose was actually quote the other day that even if he is still feeling a lot of pain in his elbow, he would tell people is fine so he could go out there and play. He is the type of character that would go out help his team win even if he is on crutches. I would say keeping up the stats is the last thing on his mind right now. If he really wants to repeat as MVP, he would do everything to could to pad his stats, but he is actually taking 5 shots less than he averages per game last season. Great example is he always throw up 75 foot three pointers at the end of quarters, like the one he threw up at end of first quarter tonight. Being someone who cares about stat line, I would hate to see him do that. And I can tell you that there are players who are obsessed with their stat line that wouldn't take that shot. Nonetheless, he continues struggle mightily with that three point shot. I think it's time for him to cut back on it and focus on the mid range game. I noticed that for him nowadays is either drive to the basket or taking a bunch of threes. When the other team has strong interior defense like Atlanta, they could effectively take away his drives to basket or floaters, leaving him with just perimeter shots, which basically takes him out of his game. Going forward, I would definitely like him to work on his mid range game. Edited January 10, 2012 by thxfrthmmrs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 If rose didn't play john lucas is our only pg. That's what keeps rose playing. But man am i tired of Korver at SG and Deng at SF. For christs sake can we let deng rest for more than 5 minutes a game? and also PUT IN JIMMY BUTLER. FREE JIMMY BUTLER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 02:54 AM) What does Jimmy Butler have to do to get meaningful minutes? Luol is about to die because of all the minutes and Korver can only shoot. Thibs is a great Xs and Os coach, but his game rotations leave a lot left to be desired. You have to admit though, Korver was actually pretty damn good on defense tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) An idea popped into my head today... Why not use Game Score (Hollinger stat) as the scoring for fantasy basketball? It seems a lot better than most generic fantasy scoring systems and is more in-depth than Efficiency. So I made a H2H points league (only way to do it) on Yahoo if anyone is still interested in drafting a team (in case yours sucked). This league's purely experimental. I'd like to see how it goes and maybe adopt this model for future leagues. Draft is this Sunday at 8:45 PM CST. League ID: 154244 password: basketball Edited January 10, 2012 by chw42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 10:58 PM) You have to admit though, Korver was actually pretty damn good on defense tonight. I didn't watch much, but that is nice to hear. He has been pretty bad most of the year. And I just want to see Jimmy Butler get real minutes and see what he can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Wolves are going to get stomped by the Bulls tomorrow. Last game of a back-to-back-to-back in three different cities, coming off a bad loss to a bad team and banged up. Certainly doesn't help that we're starting our four worst players alongside Love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (Felix @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 11:53 PM) Wolves are going to get stomped by the Bulls tomorrow. Last game of a back-to-back-to-back in three different cities, coming off a bad loss to a bad team and banged up. Certainly doesn't help that we're starting our four worst players alongside Love. I feel so sorry for Love. Dude is putting up video game numbers at almost 40 MPG for nothing. I think Williams will be a player in time. Rubio has already proven to be an impact player; jumper needs work. Beasley is a joke. He reminds me of Jerry Stackhouse. The rest of that roster? Gross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 11:58 PM) I feel so sorry for Love. Dude is putting up video game numbers at almost 40 MPG for nothing. I think Williams will be a player in time. Rubio has already proven to be an impact player; jumper needs work. Beasley is a joke. He reminds me of Jerry Stackhouse. The rest of that roster? Gross. JJ Barea is an alright player off the bench (And far better than any other option we have at the 2, assuming we're playing him and Rubio together), and I find it hard to fault Anthony Tolliver for anything he does, but yeah, there are a lot of garbage players on this team. There's also a chance that Martell Webster comes back from injury and starts eating into Beasley's minutes, which wouldn't be a terrible thing. Not that Martell is any good (I can't stand him, personally), but given how bad Beasley has been, anything to get him off the floor is a plus. Edited January 10, 2012 by Felix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (Felix @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 12:01 AM) JJ Barea is a solid player off the bench (And far better than any other option we have at the 2, assuming we're playing him and Rubio together), and I find it hard to fault Anthony Tolliver for anything he does, but yeah, there are a lot of garbage players on this team. There's also a chance that Martell Webster comes back from injury and starts eating into Beasley's minutes, which wouldn't be a terrible thing. Not that Martell is any good (I can't stand him, personally), but given how bad Beasley has been, anything to get him off the floor is a plus. What's up with Wesley Johnson? I thought he was going to be a player. He still could be. But he's off to a rough start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 12:05 AM) What's up with Wesley Johnson? I thought he was going to be a player. He still could be. But he's off to a rough start. He was never going to be a player. Overrated coming out of college and garbage in the pros. He can't dribble at all (I'm not sure he can even dribble through his legs), and he's not anywhere near a good enough shooter to make a living off of it. He (almost) literally NEVER gets to the free throw line, and for a guy that supposedly has the talent to be a solid defensive player, I haven't seen any evidence of it. Basically, we traded Jonny Flynn, so SOMEONE had to fill the "overdrafted Syracuse player that is a garbage pro" spot that was open on the team. Most Wolves fans (myself included) disliked the pick at the time and were in favor of DeMarcus Cousins instead. Not sure that would have turned out any better, but Wes is simply not good. Edited January 10, 2012 by Felix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (Felix @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 12:10 AM) He was never going to be a player. Overrated coming out of college and garbage in the pros. He can't dribble at all (I'm not sure he can even dribble through his legs), and he's not anywhere near a good enough shooter to make a living off of it. He (almost) literally NEVER gets to the free throw line, and for a guy that supposedly has the talent to be a solid defensive player, I haven't seen any evidence of it. Basically, we traded Jonny Flynn, so SOMEONE had to fill the "overdrafted Syracuse player that is a garbage pro" spot that was open on the team. Most Wolves fans disliked the pick at the time and were in favor of DeMarcus Cousins instead (myself included). Not sure that would have turned out any better, but Wes is simply not good. Damn. Well, I obviously don't watch many Wolves games. I was for the most part going off stats. And yes, ACC/Big East guys are notoriously overrated. I'm the dumbass that thought Thabeet would be the next Mutombo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 12:18 AM) Damn. Well, I obviously don't watch many Wolves games. I was for the most part going off stats. And yes, ACC/Big East guys are notoriously overrated. I'm the dumbass that thought Thabeet would be the next Mutombo. I think a lot of people thought he'd at least be an above average NBA player, but when you start your NBA career at age 23, you really should have a fairly polished game. For a player of his size/athletic ability, Wes SHOULD be driving to the basket and drawing fouls, taking advantage of his athleticism. However, his inability to simply dribble the ball makes that nearly impossible, which leads to an average of one FTA per game (or less, as is the case this year). Part of the problem might have been starting off with Rambis as his coach, and he's also been playing a majority of his minutes at the 2 instead of his natural spot at the 3, but I don't think that accounts for everything. Maybe Wes will turn into a decent player someday, it's certainly possible. But considering I was never all that high on him in the first place, I don't think there's any reason for him to be getting 20+ minutes per game, let alone starting. Until the Wolves replace Wes/Beasley's minutes with players that can actually be productive, they're going to continue to be hampered in taking that step toward becoming a playoff team. Edited January 10, 2012 by Felix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I think the criticism of DROSE taking 3s is ridiculous... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (SleepyWhiteSox @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 01:06 AM) I think the criticism of DROSE taking 3s is ridiculous... Yes, suggesting a player utilize his freakish athleticism and size (for a PG) to create better shots for himself is ridiculous. There's simply no justification for Rose to be averaging 5 3pt FG attempts per game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 01:17 AM) Yes, suggesting a player utilize his freakish athleticism and size (for a PG) to create better shots for himself is ridiculous. There's simply no justification for Rose to be averaging 5 3pt FG attempts per game. Agreed. If he has a wide open 3 or they need one, take it. But transition 3's and taking them with plenty of time on the clock need to stop. He needs his threes to compliment his driving/mid-range game, not the other way around. He should learn the Brad Miller pump-fake drive. That was fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 09:18 PM) lol. First of all, LeBron wants his MVP back. So that's that. And Kevin Durant wants his first. Yes I know LeBron has been ridiculous, but it's still very early. Bosh has been very good too. (no idea what is going on with Wade) Edited January 10, 2012 by SoxAce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Korver played 32 min last night and scored 8 points on 2 of 7 shooting. I can see why he's playing so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 07:19 AM) Korver played 32 min last night and scored 8 points on 2 of 7 shooting. I can see why he's playing so much. He's been shooting better. So eh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (SleepyWhiteSox @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 01:06 AM) I think the criticism of DROSE taking 3s is ridiculous... I agree 100%. Making the D respect his shot means they can't sag off of him and clog the lane. That shot frees up his drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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