kev211 Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 People forgot Lebron was pretty clutch in the ECF last year before falling apart in the Finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 10, 2012 -> 04:53 PM) I know Iverson won the MVP (should've been Shaq). But I never thought he was a top 5 player. He was one of the more inefficient "superstars" ever. I mean Bill Russell type inefficiency. I'd love to see your list of 5 players or more that were better than him that year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (SleepyWhiteSox @ Jun 11, 2012 -> 01:50 AM) I'd love to see your list of 5 players or more that were better than him that year... Shaq, Duncan, KG, T-mac, Vince, Kobe. This is without hesitation. You could argue guys like Pierce and Webber as well. Nobody who shoots 42% from the field (mediocre TS% of .518) is a top 5 player in my book. AI was arguably the face of the NBA at the time and everybody loves the little guys. But like I said, he was an inefficient chucker who either just refused to or was unable to adjust his game for the betterment of the team. Edited June 11, 2012 by Jordan4life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 11, 2012 -> 08:50 AM) Shaq, Duncan, KG, T-mac, Vince, Kobe. This is without hesitation. You could argue guys like Pierce and Webber as well. Nobody who shoots 42% from the field (mediocre TS% of .518) is a top 5 player in my book. AI was arguably the face of the NBA at the time and everybody loves the little guys. But like I said, he was an inefficient chucker who either just refused to or was unable to adjust his game for the betterment of the team. He had nobody on his team. I agree with you that AI is inefficient and overrated, but you have to admit, he took a team with literally nothing to the Finals. That's impressive in itself. If he did have a better supporting cast, I doubt he has a 52% TS. Edited June 11, 2012 by chw42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 11, 2012 -> 02:41 PM) He had nobody on his team. I agree with you that AI is inefficient and overrated, but you have to admit, he took a team with literally nothing to the Finals. That's impressive in itself. If he did have a better supporting cast, I doubt he has a 52% TS. But the East was horrendous during that period. It's not like those 76ers had to get through a bunch of great times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 I think LBJ is gonna show up in these Finals, I don't expect him to disapear like like he did a year ago...still OKC is deeper and they win in 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Jun 11, 2012 -> 10:02 AM) I think LBJ is gonna show up in these Finals, I don't expect him to disapear like like he did a year ago...still OKC is deeper and they win in 7. I've got OKC in 6. Unlike Boston, OKC won't get tired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 QUOTE (kev211 @ Jun 11, 2012 -> 01:41 AM) People forgot Lebron was pretty clutch in the ECF last year before falling apart in the Finals. I, sadly, do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jun 11, 2012 -> 10:06 AM) I've got OKC in 6. Unlike Boston, OKC won't get tired. And OKC has about twice the talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 I'll go OKC in 7. I think it's going to be close, but OKC has slightly more margin for error and the last two games at home. Some things that work in Miami's favor... -The Thunder were highly turnover prone in the regular season (16 a game), which is a recipe for disaster against Miami. They have been much better in the playoffs (only 11 per game), but Miami is also the best defensive team they'll have faced. They have to take care of the ball and take good shots, especially Westbrook. -OKC's scoring is just as unbalanced as Miami's. They rely very heavily on Durant/Westbrook/Harden, over 65% of their scoring comes from that trio in the playoffs. Miami's D has looked most suspect when the opponent moves the ball well and makes them guard everyone on the floor. OKC is a team that can get quite isolation-oriented. Though statistically they're quite comparable, I feel like the Spurs are set up a lot better to beat Miami's D. -OKC doesn't really have a depth edge, at least in the literal definition of it. The Heat mostly rely on 7 guys with 4 others making frequent appearances, the Thunder mostly rely on 8 with only 2 others making frequent appearances. Obviously OKC is better outside of their big 3 (mostly because Ibaka and Perkins are a lot better than Haslem/Anthony/Turiaf), though like Miami they tend to make bigger contributions defensively. -Who guards Lebron? Durant makes the most sense, but that puts a ton of pressure on him. I feel like the best option is to put Ibaka on James so Durant can cover Battier and Thabo can take Wade, but I'm not sure Serge is quick enough and whether they'll do it or not. On the flipside, having the last two is a huge edge because I don't think either team is winning in 5, Westbrook could destroy Miami worse than Rondo did, and Miami can't afford to have Lebron or Wade flake off while OKC can get away with it a bit more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 OKC wins as Durant rips title of best player from LeBron's hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 11, 2012 -> 11:57 AM) OKC wins as Durant rips title of best player from LeBron's hands. These items do not have to go hand-in-hand. I have OKC in 6. The Celtics are half the team that the Thunder are and just took the Heat to 7, but the Heat will presumably have a more mended Bosh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 If Lebron doesn't win this year, what's the excuse? It was always the lack of talent. Well that's not going to fly anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 I think that Thabo/Harden will guard Lebron. OKC has a good interior advantage so its unlikely Lebron will want to post and get an immediate double. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jun 11, 2012 -> 12:07 PM) If Lebron doesn't win this year, what's the excuse? It was always the lack of talent. Well that's not going to fly anymore. Well, the excuse could be he lost to a more talented team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 11, 2012 -> 12:11 PM) Well, the excuse could be he lost to a more talented team? But it was gon' be easy and Pat Riley could play like he was at Kentucky because Wade and LeBron are all business and going to push each other in practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 11, 2012 -> 12:19 PM) But it was gon' be easy and Pat Riley could play like he was at Kentucky because Wade and LeBron are all business and going to push each other in practice. Wade and Bosh have been injured. LeBron has put together historic performance after historic performance. He made a stupid, annoying DecisionTM, yes, but he's still been a complete motherf*cking monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 How can you look at this game log and try to say that LeBron isn't single-handedly carrying that team? He's been great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 11, 2012 -> 12:28 PM) How can you look at this game log and try to say that LeBron isn't single-handedly carrying that team? He's been great. 30.8/9.6/5.1/50.8 doesn't net the type of respect it used to. That's right. Nobody has ever put up those numbers. The 9.6 is obviously his rebounds per game. And that's been out of total necessity with Bosh being out most of the last two rounds. With Wade on/off all post-season, combined with the crap that are the Heat role players, this is pretty much the finest non-Michael post-season performance we've ever witnessed. Edited June 11, 2012 by Jordan4life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 11, 2012 -> 12:10 PM) I think that Thabo/Harden will guard Lebron. OKC has a good interior advantage so its unlikely Lebron will want to post and get an immediate double. I don't think you can do that for two reasons... 1) Then who guards Wade? Westbrook? I don't think you really want Durant on him. 2) Lebron got a bunch of baskets against Boston where he got down low off a cut, curl or even a few post-ups where he just shot an easy layup over his defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 (edited) Since that pathetic loss to Indianapolis, LeBron is averaging 33.3ppg, 11.1rpg, 5.1apg, 1.1 3pg, 1.2bpg, 1.4spg over his last 10. He's at 30.8, 9.6, 5.1, 1.2, 0.8, 1.9 for the playoffs - 18 games. What a disappointment. What a choker. Last year? Ok, dog the guy. This year? You just can't. Edited June 11, 2012 by Steve9347 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 11, 2012 -> 06:40 PM) Since that pathetic loss to Indianapolis, LeBron is averaging 33.3ppg, 11.1rpg, 5.1apg, 1.1 3pg, 1.2bpg, 1.4spg over his last 10. He's at 30.8, 9.6, 5.1, 1.2, 0.8, 1.9 for the playoffs - 18 games. What a disappointment. What a choker. Last year? Ok, dog the guy. This year? You just can't. Until he loses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 11, 2012 -> 12:49 PM) Until he loses. He'll lose in the Finals unless the Thunder repeat what happened in that Mavs series last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 11, 2012 -> 12:40 PM) Since that pathetic loss to Indianapolis, LeBron is averaging 33.3ppg, 11.1rpg, 5.1apg, 1.1 3pg, 1.2bpg, 1.4spg over his last 10. He's at 30.8, 9.6, 5.1, 1.2, 0.8, 1.9 for the playoffs - 18 games. What a disappointment. What a choker. Last year? Ok, dog the guy. This year? You just can't. And even last year you can really only criticize him for the finals. He was fantastic against the Bulls and Celtics which makes it even more bizarre that he deferred so much to Wade in the NBA finals. Edited June 11, 2012 by whitesoxfan99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jun 11, 2012 -> 12:37 PM) I don't think you can do that for two reasons... 1) Then who guards Wade? Westbrook? I don't think you really want Durant on him. 2) Lebron got a bunch of baskets against Boston where he got down low off a cut, curl or even a few post-ups where he just shot an easy layup over his defender. Westbrook will play Wade some, Harden can play Wade. It just depends. I just think Ibaka cant guard Lebron on the outside, which will lead to a lot of breakdowns on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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