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QUOTE (lostfan @ Jan 30, 2012 -> 09:23 AM)
You know, you have to figure Thibodeau would see Spoelstra doing that and figure out a way around it. If you know LeBron is on Rose that means resources are directed elsewhere and you attack differently... that's kind of the exact reason that Rip is on this team. Not pointing the finger at him as the reason for the loss or anything, but I don't really know what Rose saw on that last possession. He attracted all the attention because he's Derrick f***ing Rose, and he tried to get Korver who was covered. After that Rip was open, but Rose spun around and tried to create a play and took an extremely difficult contested shot that would've been AMAZING if it went in (and he's done it before) but wasn't even close.

 

I don't think it's that unreasonable to expect him to know which one of his teammates was open considering he's the best point guard in the entire world

 

I can't fault Rose for wanting to take over at that point of the game. He is the star, and does some crazy amazing s***. I wouldn't have been shocked if he hit that at the end. After Haslem fell down, he had a decent look.

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 30, 2012 -> 10:27 AM)
I can't fault Rose for wanting to take over at that point of the game. He is the star, and does some crazy amazing s***. I wouldn't have been shocked if he hit that at the end. After Haslem fell down, he had a decent look.

I'm not really faulting him... I know he won't make every shot. Reminds me of that Jordan "failure" commercial actually. I just don't think he was the best one to be taking that shot. Plus it was just a really good defensive effort by Miami too

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QUOTE (lostfan @ Jan 30, 2012 -> 09:30 AM)
I'm not really faulting him... I know he won't make every shot. Reminds me of that Jordan "failure" commercial actually. I just don't think he was the best one to be taking that shot. Plus it was just a really good defensive effort by Miami too

 

Yeah, they did what they should have done defensively, which failed at the first 3.5 quarters of the game.

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I feel good about the Bulls chances vs the Heat come playoffs time...Rose makes his fts or hits that last shot and we all would be singing a different tune.

 

Not saying I'm positive the Bulls will make the Finals but a healthy Bulls can beat the Heat, gotta learn from these tough losses and go from there.

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http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/...g-chicago-bulls

 

Earlier this month Dwight Howard wouldn't say whether he would be interested in playing for the Chicago Bulls. He's open to the idea now.

 

Just days after ripping his Orlando Magic teammates for their effort in a blowout loss to the New Orleans Hornets, Howard added MVP Derrick Rose's Bulls to his list of potential destinations.

 

Hollinger: Should Magic Trade Howard?

 

The Magic's performance of late isn't exactly convincing star Dwight Howard to stay in Orlando, writes John Hollinger. Story Insider

 

"If I could play with Derrick right now and God wanted that to happen, it will happen," Howard told the Chicago Tribune. "It has nothing to do with me not wanting to play with Derrick Rose. I love him. That's my brother."

 

Media reports earlier this season speculated that adidas, which both Howard and Rose represent, would not want two of their stars in the same market. Howard shot down that idea.

 

"It has nothing to do with adidas," Howard said, according to the Tribune. "In fact, adidas would love that because me and Derrick have the same guy."

 

Seen as one of the contenders in the East, the Magic have lost three straight to fall to 12-8. They lost 93-67 to the now 4-16 Hornets.

 

"I look at guys and they don't look like they want to play," Howard said following the lopsided loss. "I told them at halftime, 'If you don't want to play, just stay in the locker room, because it don't make sense for a team who we should beat to just demolish us.' "

 

The 26-year-old Howard, who is averaging 20.2 points and 15.5 rebounds per game this season, has expressed interest in being traded by the Magic. He can opt out of his current deal after this season and has listed the Lakers, Nets, Mavericks, and recently, the Clippers as preferred teams.

 

There is no indication the Bulls are actively pursuing Howard. Rose has said this season that he won't recruit the big man either.

 

The Bulls are coming off a four-point loss to the Heat in Miami on Sunday but still have the best record in the East at 17-5.

 

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

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QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 30, 2012 -> 09:11 AM)
There was positive news though. Noah with his 4th double double in a row

 

Not only that, Noah's energy level was off the charts and he was dialed into the game from beginning to end. Noah was back to being a difference maker, which we need him to be (until we hopefully trade him to ORL for Howard).

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Thered really be no need to go conservative, the biggest piece that would be given up is Noah and Howard replaces him. Any other players you can find a replacement for and 3-4 Jimmy Butlers doesnt mean a thing (ie the type of talent thats available in the late 1st round).

 

 

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QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 30, 2012 -> 01:12 PM)
Thered really be no need to go conservative, the biggest piece that would be given up is Noah and Howard replaces him. Any other players you can find a replacement for and 3-4 Jimmy Butlers doesnt mean a thing (ie the type of talent thats available in the late 1st round).

 

Yeah, but Noah, Deng, Mirotic, and the Bobcats pick both weakens us now and mortgages the future.

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QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 30, 2012 -> 01:08 PM)
I dont even want to speculate because Howard + Rose would be fun, it just seemingly wont happen.

 

Agree. This just isn't the type of move that GarPax feels comfortable making. They're conservative and risk-averse. There is a considerable amount of risk involved when trading away 2/3 pieces of the core that took you within 3 games of the finals last year. I don't see them pulling the trigger on something like that.

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QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 30, 2012 -> 02:12 PM)
Thered really be no need to go conservative, the biggest piece that would be given up is Noah and Howard replaces him. Any other players you can find a replacement for and 3-4 Jimmy Butlers doesnt mean a thing (ie the type of talent thats available in the late 1st round).

i think you would have to throw luol deng in that mix with noah, from what i've read it would take a Noah, Deng, Taj, and a few first rounders in there for howard and turkoglu, i think the bulls front office likes the "bench mob" and i dont believe they will tear that apart for howard unfortunately

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Reasons why if it's more than Noah + firsts, it's bad.

 

Noah + Deng: We could at best lose around 20 rebounds here, at worst something like 15. Brewer is not as good a rebounder as Deng.

 

Mirotic + Bobcats Pick: Those will be the next guys to step in and help Rose when Boozer and Rip are gone and Deng/Noah have aged.

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QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 30, 2012 -> 01:22 PM)
Reasons why if it's more than Noah + firsts, it's bad.

 

Noah + Deng: We could at best lose around 20 rebounds here, at worst something like 15. Brewer is not as good a rebounder as Deng.

 

Mirotic + Bobcats Pick: Those will be the next guys to step in and help Rose when Boozer and Rip are gone and Deng/Noah have aged.

 

have you looked at Dwights rebounding numbers? Ever? Noah and Dengs rebounds are pretty much mitigated

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QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 30, 2012 -> 01:17 PM)
Yeah, but Noah, Deng, Mirotic, and the Bobcats pick both weakens us now and mortgages the future.

 

Deng is the only player I think we'd really miss.

 

Howard > Noah

 

Mirotic is still 2-3 years away and is still a project.

 

Bobcats pick isn't unprotected until like 2016 or something.

 

I'd try and offer Taj instead of Deng, but I'd still make that trade and see where Rose, Howard, Boozer, Asik, Taj, CJ, Rip and Korver gets me.

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It wont be Noah + Deng (I cant imagine the Magic wanting Deng's salary while hes injured). Id assume that its Noah + a few of Gibson/Asik/Butler + Future rights to Mirotic + draft picks

 

Yeah the Bulls might lose depth, but who cares. you can find semidecent guys off the street.

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QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 30, 2012 -> 02:22 PM)
Reasons why if it's more than Noah + firsts, it's bad.

 

Noah + Deng: We could at best lose around 20 rebounds here, at worst something like 15. Brewer is not as good a rebounder as Deng.

 

Mirotic + Bobcats Pick: Those will be the next guys to step in and help Rose when Boozer and Rip are gone and Deng/Noah have aged.

mirotic isnt going to come over for at least another season, possibly two and the bobcats pick we aren't going to get until like 2016 because it's protected until then unless they have a drastic change in their team, both of those do us no good now and possibly no good in the future if other teams are building super powers now, i would much rather take the howard in his prime and try and win now rather than hoping for the future, plus you dont know how mirotic or the draft pick will pan out they both could be busts and leave drose with nothing anyways

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QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 30, 2012 -> 02:26 PM)
It wont be Noah + Deng (I cant imagine the Magic wanting Deng's salary while hes injured). Id assume that its Noah + a few of Gibson/Asik/Butler + Future rights to Mirotic + draft picks

 

Yeah the Bulls might lose depth, but who cares. you can find semidecent guys off the street.

The other big problem is that Noah is a BYC player...since he just signed his contract extension. The NBA Trade machine isn't 100% clear on what the rules are for him but he can't be traded until March 1, and at least on the previous CBA, only 1/2 of his salary would count towards the salary cap match.

 

Thus, if the magic took on Noah, they'd also need to take on another $12 million or so to match Howard's money. Basically, that means Boozer or Deng, unless the Bulls sent over the entire bench and the Magic were interested in Noah + the entire bench. Noah + Gibson + Asik + Korver might not even be enough, depending on how the rules are written.

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