Carlos Quentin traded to Padres

[Steve9347]

Keith Law's take on the Schmidt signing:

The internet never forgets.

[Milkman delivers]

The internet never forgets.

 

Much like Rock n' Roll and elephants.

[witesoxfan]

Were there signs that Schmidt was gonna suddenly get injured? He was 34 and decreased a bit from his peak, but he was still an All-Star in 2006. When the signing happened, I don't think they could have predicted he would only pitch 42 innings at a 6 ERA clip in 3 years.

 

Don't remember watching him in the second half of 2006, but a 4.76 ERA as opposed to 2.78 ERA in the first half as well as his BB/9 and HR/9 getting quite a bit worse were pretty solid indications that something was up.

[caulfield12]

Don't remember watching him in the second half of 2006, but a 4.76 ERA as opposed to 2.78 ERA in the first half as well as his BB/9 and HR/9 getting quite a bit worse were pretty solid indications that something was up.

 

 

Hopefully the same thing won't apply to the post ASB performance of Dunn in 2010, when looking back in retrospect.

[southsider2k5]

JonHeymanCBS Jon Heyman

carlos quentin settled for a bit over $7M

 

[elrockinMT]

JonHeymanCBS Jon Heyman

carlos quentin settled for a bit over $7M

 

 

We coud have afforded that

[Jordan4life_2007]

We coud have afforded that

 

[NorthSideSox72]

Much like Rock n' Roll and elephants.

And Pepridge Farm.

 

[G&T]

And Pepridge Farm.

 

That's why I always buy a box of milano cookies.

[caulfield12]

Chessmen.

 

Those cookies were all my favorites growing up, and Brussels too, but so super expensive now in the grocery stores.

 

 

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

MLBTR says Quentin got $6.6M

[caulfield12]

 

 

Why would you want to block Viciedo for another year...when Quentin's not coming back nor is he a part of any future Southside renaissance?

 

If it's DeAza you bench, then Alex Rios is CFer and leadoff hitter...and he's surrounded by two pretty bad corner OF'ers in Viciedo and Quentin.

 

If you play DeAza in CF (and hitting leadoff), then you're stuck with $40 million and Rios sitting on the bench the next 3 years collecting that money. And two bad corners again in the same OF.

Edited January 18, 2012 by caulfield12

[Eminor3rd]

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/...n-in-san-diego/

 

Padres acquire outfielder Carlos Quentin from the Chicago White Sox for right hander Simon Castro and left hander Carlos Hernandez

 

Carlos Quentin is in his final year of arbitration eligibility before hitting free agency. He recently signed a one-year, $7.025 deal with the Padres, avoiding an arbitration hearing. Quentin was a Diamondback when Josh Byrnes was Arizona's GM, and Byrnes dealt him to the Chicago White Sox for first basemen/outfielder Chris Carter in 2007. Quentin went on to have a career year in 2008, blasting 36 homers and hitting .288/.394/.571. He hasn't approached that level since 2008, but he still possesses a solid bat (his OPS+ is 115 from 2009-11).

 

Quentin has split time between right field and left field throughout his career. The fielding metrics generally agree that he isn't very good out there. His career Defensive Runs Saved is -22. His career UZR/150 is -9.3 runs. Tango's Fans' Scouting Report rates him well below average in each of the past three seasons. As a corner outfielder, Quentin's bat is good-not-great (and moves from hitter-friendly U.S. Cellular to Petco) and his defense leaves something to be desired. There's not a whole lot of value to be added here, especially when a guy like Kyle Blanks is all but forgotten.

 

The Padres didn't give up any upper-level prospects in the deal, as long as you ignore the fact that righty Simon Castro was rated as a top prospect prior to the 2011 year. Castro's prospect status cratered when the 23-year-old repeated Double-A and posted a 4.33 ERA (his numbers were much worse in 25 and two-thirds innings in Triple-A Tucson). Still, his peripherals in Double-A stayed largely the same and it's hard to believe a guy with a lot of hype last season could fall so quickly. The influx of talent in San Diego's organization certainly didn't help.

 

Left hander Pedro Hernandez is a small (5-10, 200), 22-year-old who has split time starting and relieving. He's put up some impressive numbers in the minors, including a minuscule 1.5 walks per nine and a 5.4 strikeout-to-walk ratio. There are questions about his size and durability as a starter and he may be relegated to the pen, but he certainly isn't just a throw-in here.

 

While losing Castro and Hernandez isn't going to cripple the Padres minor league system, you have to wonder if it's worth the prospects and dollars to acquire a guy like Quentin. If the Padres were at a different point in the win-cycle, the move would make more sense, but it's unclear if anyone outside of San Diego's brass believes they are ready to compete in 2012.

[Jordan4life_2007]

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/...n-in-san-diego/

 

The "we should've gotten more for CQ" crowd needs to read this article. Markedly thorough and on point. Padres fans are the ones that should be pissed.

[Milkman delivers]

Tango's Fans' Scouting Report rates him well below average in each of the past three seasons.

 

That just shows how much offense colors people's perception of defense. "The past three seasons" are 2009, 2010 and 2011. Quentin has been bad in the field his entire major league career, but he hit well in 2008 so people will think he also played a decent field then.

[southsider2k5]

That just shows how much offense colors people's perception of defense. "The past three seasons" are 2009, 2010 and 2011. Quentin has been bad in the field his entire major league career, but he hit well in 2008 so people will think he also played a decent field then.

 

I think the 08 memories have a lot to do with the gun of an arm he was still showing off back then.

[SI1020]

There's a stat for everyone. His DWAR was in plus territory in 2011 as were other metrics. Am I saying he's a stud defensively? No. At best he'll be somewhere around adequate with limited range.

[Balta1701]

There's a stat for everyone. His DWAR was in plus territory in 2011 as were other metrics. Am I saying he's a stud defensively? No. At best he'll be somewhere around adequate with limited range.

His defense in 2011 was much improved from 2010-2009, I'll definitely buy that, you could see that with the "Eye test" too. But he was awful in 2009, and there was another injury while fielding last year that could very well hurt his throwing ability going forward.

[caulfield12]

The report I read said that Carlos got a belt notch or two above $7 million.

[witesoxfan]

We coud have afforded that

 

And you have no grasp with reality nor as to where this team should be. The White Sox could certainly afford that, but they could not afford to have their #1 prospect - Dayan Viciedo, who is no longer "prospect" eligible - sit in the minors any longer. They also have very little chance at competing this year, and having an oft-injured outfielder take up space and then, according to your plan, play out the year and then be let go to free agency (or resigned, which would be even worse) for nothing.

 

The White Sox did well. Trading away good players is, sometimes, a GOOD THING.

 

I would be curious to see what your current roster looking at the 2007 roster would look like right now. I'm sure Crede, Uribe, Podsednik, Garland, Jenks, Iguchi, and Dye would all still be on it. Perhaps Mackowiak as well. Most of them helped us win a World Series. But we still wouldn't have Quentin.

 

There's a stat for everyone. His DWAR was in plus territory in 2011 as were other metrics. Am I saying he's a stud defensively? No. At best he'll be somewhere around adequate with limited range.

 

If you are using defensive runs saved, as in the FanGraphs stat, then sure, he was "in the plus territory." His UZR was 0.6 and his UZR/150 was 1.7. The previous 3 seasons?

Year UZR UZR/150
2008 -3.3 -3.7
2009 -14.5 -25.2
2010 -24.3 -35

 

The developer of that statistic has said that it takes 3 years worth of data to develop any sort of consistent criteria on a player. This causes problems because players, as they age, get less athletic and slower, which will deteriorate defensive skills. You take whichever 3 year sample you like - 08-10 or 09-11 - and either way, you get a very, very bad defensive outfielder.

Edited January 20, 2012 by witesoxfan

[Balta1701]

The developer of that statistic has said that it takes 3 years worth of data to develop any sort of consistent criteria on a player. This causes problems because players, as they age, get less athletic and slower, which will deteriorate defensive skills. You take whichever 3 year sample you like - 08-10 or 09-11 - and either way, you get a very, very bad defensive outfielder.

At least IMO, the individual season numbers are pretty consistent with what we saw from him in the OF. He was terrible in 09-10, but that was when he was dealing with the foot problem, and he was noticeably better out there last year until he hurt the shoulder.