Balta1701 Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 31, 2011 -> 02:30 PM) It looks like Castro couldn't find any control at AAA last season. 21 Ks and 18 BB in 19 innings. He only had 16 walks in 90 innings at the AA level. I know it's cliche...but you know who's pretty good at helping guys with control issues? The Chicago White Sox pitching coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 31, 2011 -> 07:31 PM) I know it's cliche...but you know who's pretty good at helping guys with control issues? The Chicago White Sox pitching coach. Agreed completely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Dec 31, 2011 -> 02:30 PM) C'mon Milk, there wasn't anything out there for CQ really, it would be hard to "win" this trade just because you won't get a big name hot prospect for him. I'm just glad we finally aren't going to have to pay him $7 for 120 games on a losing team. I'm just glad that those 100 pre-injury games can go to De Aza and Viciedo and we can finally start to see what those guys can do at the big league level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Surprised (but not really) that it hasn't been mentioned yet: Dayan Viciedo, you're opportunity has come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Dec 31, 2011 -> 01:27 PM) We mock the Cubs, but Sox fans might seriously have the lowest standards in baseball. I was fine with the Santos trade, but we will convince ourselves that any move was good. Oh well, it's New Years Eve. I'm going to go have fun and forget about baseball for a while. And people on this board despise all our players and think they all suck....but then expect multiple top 10 prospects in return for a trade. You can't do both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 31, 2011 Author Share Posted December 31, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 31, 2011 -> 01:31 PM) I know it's cliche...but you know who's pretty good at helping guys with control issues? The Chicago White Sox pitching coach. I'll say it: MAYBE COOP CAN FIX 'EM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 31, 2011 -> 01:32 PM) I'm just glad that those 100 pre-injury games can go to De Aza and Viciedo and we can finally start to see what those guys can do at the big league level. Very true, I meant to hint at that in my post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 31, 2011 -> 02:29 PM) LF: Prado/Constanza CF: McLouth/Schafer/Constanza RF: Heyward 3B: Jones/Prado SS: Gonzalez 2B: Uggla Prado is capable of playing LF, 3B, SS, 2B (though SS is a stretch). Now where is the glaring weakness and the easiest fit? Yeah, CF. In order to take on Quentin they'd have to bench either Chipper Jones or Martin Prado. Yeah, Jones was banged up a lot last year but you can't put him on the bench. It made no sense. The one reason why it kinda made some sense is that with Jones constantly hurt, having Quentin as another RH bat would really help their lineup. But that's not worth trading away a top flight starting pitcher, especially with Q being MR. Glass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Dec 31, 2011 -> 01:27 PM) Veryyyy debatable. Wood is a very mediocre young starter, who showed almost nothing last season, I dont see him worth a whole lot, definitely not up to Molina's status. The other two guys are mediocre prospects as well; Sappelt is probably a 4th OF and Torreyes played at Low A and is a crapshoot (especially at his size). It's the 5'9", 140 Torreyes that they all love for god knows what reason, he's not f***ing Pedroia, there is only 1 Pedroia and his power comes from fastballs in his eyes that he has learned to turn and burn on, just because one midget found a way to develop power doesn't mean they all will. Wood is nothing more than a servicable back of the rotation starter with little to no upside. Theo's going to do a damn good job IMO and he did a nice job getting something for a player he had no use for (Marshall) but lets not kid ourselves on that trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 So, does Castro have any chance at being a starter long-term or are these 2 hopeful bullpen additions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 31, 2011 -> 01:33 PM) The one reason why it kinda made some sense is that with Jones constantly hurt, having Quentin as another RH bat would really help their lineup. But that's not worth trading away a top flight starting pitcher, especially with Q being MR. Glass. And then Michael Bourn became available and that scenario was rendered moot as he was EXACTLY what they were looking for. Plugged a hole without having to bench a legend or productive player. Quentin was a reach from the get go and fell by the wayside when the market opened up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 The big question is can these guys be in OUR top ten prospects Maybe the larger question- is there anybody that can't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 31, 2011 -> 12:50 PM) from Rosenthal too: #WhiteSox will receive two minor league pitchers from #Padres for Quentin - RHP Simon Castro and LHP Pedro Hernandez. #MLB Sox just wanted CQ gone. The return is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 31, 2011 -> 08:34 PM) It's the 5'9", 140 Torreyes that they all love for god knows what reason, he's not f***ing Pedroia, there is only 1 Pedroia and his power comes from fastballs in his eyes that he has learned to turn and burn on, just because one midget found a way to develop power doesn't mean they all will. Wood is nothing more than a servicable back of the rotation starter with little to no upside. Theo's going to do a damn good job IMO and he did a good job getting something for a player he had no use for (Marshall) but lets not kid ourselves on that trade. I'll take Wood's future over Molina as a starter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Nice salary dump for two pitchers. Viciedo can hit, but can he play right field well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 31, 2011 -> 02:35 PM) And then Michael Bourn became available and that scenario was rendered moot as he was EXACTLY what they were looking for. Plugged a hole without having to bench a legend or productive player. Quentin was a reach from the get go and fell by the wayside when the market opened up. If they'd grabbed Quentin and Quentin hadn't gotten hurt, that'd probably have won them the wild card, but the "Quentin not getting hurt" part is the problem in all of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 31, 2011 -> 01:35 PM) So, does Castro have any chance at being a starter long-term or are these 2 hopeful bullpen additions? Goldstein was just on the score. He views Hernandez as a fringy bullpen type. Castro still has a middle of the rotation ceiling if he can figure things out. His mechanics and repeatability are the problems. Edited December 31, 2011 by DirtySox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Dec 31, 2011 -> 02:35 PM) The big question is can these guys be in OUR top ten prospects Maybe the larger question- is there anybody that can't Probably #4 and #5. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 QUOTE (MuckFinnesota @ Dec 31, 2011 -> 02:36 PM) Nice salary dump for two pitchers. Viciedo can hit, but can he play right field well? Maybe not 'Well", but he's played there for 1 season. He's going to be Carlos Lee out there, but at least he has the best arm in our OF to make up for some of it, and he also has a lot of room to get better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 31, 2011 -> 01:36 PM) I'll take Wood's future over Molina as a starter Enjoy. Sometimes I don't get you at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 31, 2011 -> 02:37 PM) Goldstein was just on the score. He views Hernandez as a fringy bullpen type. Castro still has a middle of the rotation ceiling if he can figure things out. His mechanics and repeatability are the problems. Ok, as long as he has the pitches to be a candidate for starting, I'll be content. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 31, 2011 -> 02:36 PM) I'll take Wood's future over Molina as a starter Somebody bookmark this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 31, 2011 -> 01:37 PM) Goldstein was just on the score. He views Hernandez as a fringy bullpen type. Castro still has a middle of the rotation ceiling if he can figure things out. His mechanics and repeatability are the problems. Coop will definitely fix him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 31, 2011 -> 08:38 PM) Enjoy. Sometimes I don't get you at all. Wood's rookie year with the Reds was very impressive, especially for a LHP. He struggled last year, but it was more due to uncharacteristic control problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 31, 2011 -> 02:39 PM) He struggled last year, but it was more due to uncharacteristic control problems. Much like this Castro kid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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