Dick Allen Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jan 1, 2012 -> 12:57 PM) Because he just got a few more pitchers for him? Isn't it obvious that they felt they could trade him at some point and get some value out of him? There doesn't seem to be much "value". The 22 year old has been terrible and the other kid the Sox passed on drafting 17 times. I don't necessarily think this is a bad trade, it may enable the Sox to sign the Cuban or bring someone else on board, but the current return is really nothing and considering they could have let him walk for nothing, it makes picking up his option a curious decision, but as it works out, no harm, no foul. Edited January 1, 2012 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmbjeff Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 1, 2012 -> 01:04 PM) There doesn't seem to be much "value". The 22 year old has been terrible and the other kid the Sox passed on drafting 17 times. I don't necessarily think this is a bad trade, it may enable the Sox to sign the Cuban or bring someone else on board, but the current return is really nothing and considering they could have let him walk for nothing, it makes picking up his option a curious decision. Frasor is a solid bullben guy, picking up the option was fine. Any team would have traded for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 There doesn't seem to be much "value". The 22 year old has been terrible and the other kid the Sox passed on drafting 17 times. I don't necessarily think this is a bad trade, it may enable the Sox to sign the Cuban or bring someone else on board, but the current return is really nothing and considering they could have let him walk for nothing, it makes picking up his option a curious decision. Just because someone is drafted in the late rounds, doesn't mean he will be a bad player.. Look at Buehrle or Piazza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPN366 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 More pitchers, never any bats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 1, 2012 -> 01:04 PM) There doesn't seem to be much "value". The 22 year old has been terrible and the other kid the Sox passed on drafting 17 times. I don't necessarily think this is a bad trade, it may enable the Sox to sign the Cuban or bring someone else on board, but the current return is really nothing and considering they could have let him walk for nothing, it makes picking up his option a curious decision, but as it works out, no harm, no foul. Jaye has some value. The Sox and others likely passed on him because he was seeking and received an overslot bonus. Hopefully you know by now how utterly cheap the Sox are in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) By trading Frasor and the arbitration-eligible Quentin, the club has saved roughly $11.25MM in 2012. Per MLB Trade Rumors Edited January 1, 2012 by Soxfest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Now trade Floyd and call it an offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jan 1, 2012 -> 01:08 PM) Jaye has some value. The Sox and others likely passed on him because he was seeking and received an overslot bonus. Hopefully you know by now how utterly cheap the Sox are in the draft. Maybe the guy KW hired from Toronto has a boner for the guy, but KW did risk over $3 million on Frasor for at least a little while. I doubt the plan was to pick up his option and trade him before spring training, although I suppose its possible. Again, I'm not upset about this trade. Its really a salary dump and I don't think of Frasor as much of a difference maker, although he can be really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 We need to start bringing players that can play on our 25 man roster, we have lost 8 players that was on our team last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 1, 2012 -> 01:14 PM) I doubt the plan was to pick up his option and trade him before spring training, although I suppose its possible. I'd probably agree. Just saying Jaye is mildly interesting as a prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Now trade Floyd and call it an offseason. I would also trade Thornton, AJ, Ohman and Crain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jan 1, 2012 -> 01:15 PM) I'd probably agree. Just saying Jaye is mildly interesting as a prospect. According to Sickels, these guys aren't in Toronto's top 25, so while there is always a chance either could pan out, they probably won't, which indicates to me, salary dump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 1, 2012 -> 02:20 PM) According to Sickels, these guys aren't in Toronto's top 25, so while there is always a chance either could pan out, they probably won't, which indicates to me, salary dump. Both of them are down at A ball/recent draftees, so even if they wind up being great pitchers, they woulnd't be highly ranked yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jan 1, 2012 -> 01:17 PM) I would also trade Thornton, AJ, Ohman and Crain I think you trade either Ohman or Thornton, but not both. I'd love to get rid of Ohman for something. Nobody will want A.J. at $6 million. I actually think it'd be a good idea to keep Floyd. If you couldn't get what you wanted for Danks, Floyd won't get you anything better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jan 1, 2012 -> 02:17 PM) I would also trade Thornton, AJ, Ohman and Crain Still don't see any realistic destination for AJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jan 1, 2012 -> 02:14 PM) We need to start bringing players that can play on our 25 man roster, we have lost 8 players that was on our team last season. Well, we can then add De Aza, Viciedo, Reed, Axelrod, Flowers, and maybe 1 more bullpen guy like Infante or just give up on Stewart as a starter and put him there. Maybe Santiago thrown in as well if we can clear a spot for a LHP in the bullpen. We could use a backup IF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Still don't see any realistic destination for AJ. maybe Miami.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBatterz Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Wake me up when the rebuilding is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 1, 2012 -> 01:20 PM) According to Sickels, these guys aren't in Toronto's top 25, so while there is always a chance either could pan out, they probably won't, which indicates to me, salary dump. Of course it's a salary dump. But Jaye is interesting. Not Nestor Molina interesting, but a projectable prep arm interesting. And not being in the top 25 doesn't tell the whole story considering the Blue Jays have the best farm system in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Baseball is such a funny sport. You can have a MAJOR flaw in your game, like control issues as a pitcher -- which I'd say is the ONE thing most pitchers need to have to make it -- and still get drafted. Can you imagine a QB that overthrew his receivers all the time getting picked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Marty isn't Cowley guys. He's KW just f***ing with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 1, 2012 -> 01:21 PM) Both of them are down at A ball/recent draftees, so even if they wind up being great pitchers, they woulnd't be highly ranked yet. One guy was drafted in 2009, the other in 2010. If they had shown they were future major leaguers, they would crack a team's top 25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 QUOTE (Cali @ Jan 1, 2012 -> 02:26 PM) Baseball is such a funny sport. You can have a MAJOR flaw in your game, like control issues as a pitcher -- which I'd say is the ONE thing most pitchers need to have to make it -- and still get drafted. Can you imagine a QB that overthrew his receivers all the time getting picked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 1, 2012 -> 01:23 PM) Well, we can then add De Aza, Viciedo, Reed, Axelrod, Flowers, and maybe 1 more bullpen guy like Infante or just give up on Stewart as a starter and put him there. Maybe Santiago thrown in as well if we can clear a spot for a LHP in the bullpen. We could use a backup IF. You don't think that Lillibridge, Oswaldo Martinez, Tyler Kuhn or Escobar could fill that role? Or you want a more experienced/seasoned guy? In other words, we essentially have spent $700,000 more on last year's draft...another way to look at it. If you add that $700,000 investment, what would that make the Sox total for 2011 signees that are now in the system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 QUOTE (Cali @ Jan 1, 2012 -> 01:26 PM) Baseball is such a funny sport. You can have a MAJOR flaw in your game, like control issues as a pitcher -- which I'd say is the ONE thing most pitchers need to have to make it -- and still get drafted. Can you imagine a QB that overthrew his receivers all the time getting picked? On the flipside, there are plenty of "receivers" in the NFL, making millions who have a tough time catching the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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