DirtySox Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 03:33 PM) Also, if the White Sox somehow got McGuire and Drabek for Floyd, that'd be a fleecing. Then again, I dislike G-Flo. Could be a fleecing. Drabek's stock has certainly dropped. Will have to see. I'm certainly a fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Got a text msg from someone who doesn't read the forums, so steam is pickin up friends! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 03:35 PM) Could be a fleecing. Drabek's stock has certainly dropped. Will have to see. I'm certainly a fan. Coop will turn Drabek into a better Gavin Floyd by OD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 03:35 PM) Could be a fleecing. Drabek's stock has certainly dropped. Will have to see. I'm certainly a fan. Stupid question...related to Doug Drabek? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted January 5, 2012 Author Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 04:37 PM) Stupid question...related to Doug Drabek? His son Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 03:37 PM) Stupid question...related to Doug Drabek?It's his son. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Well, the good news is that McGuire looks like a very solid young arm. The bad news is that Drabek seems to be a failed prospect. However, both are under team control until at least 2018, I believe. Hopefully Coop can pull a "Gavin Floyd" on Drabek and turn around a failed Phillies top pitching prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 03:39 PM) Well, the good news is that McGuire looks like a very solid young arm. The bad news is that Drabek seems to be a failed prospect. However, both are under team control until at least 2018, I believe. Hopefully Coop can pull a "Gavin Floyd" on Drabek and turn around a failed Phillies top pitching prospect. Too early to call Drabek failed. But his stock certainly has dropped. He was dreadful last year. Has some makeup issues as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I thought Drabek was good? Everyone kept talking about him when dealing with the Jays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (Whitewashed in '05 @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 03:42 PM) I thought Drabek was good? Everyone kept talking about him when dealing with the Jays. At the time of draft everyone was salivating over him, IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 03:43 PM) At the time of draft everyone was salivating over him, IIRC. Centerpiece of the Halladay trade wasn't he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Whitewashed in '05 @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 03:42 PM) I thought Drabek was good? Everyone kept talking about him when dealing with the Jays. He was the centerpiece of the Halladay trade. He had tons of hype, but at the same time certain people thought he was far overrated. He flopped big time in his major league trial last year. 6.06 ERA 1.81 WHIP 6.3 BB/9 5.8 SO/9 in 78 innings. He has potential, but he's developed some warts of late. Edited January 5, 2012 by DirtySox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 04:44 PM) Centerpiece of the Halladay trade wasn't he? Correct. The Phillies wouldn't give him up for Cliff Lee either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted January 5, 2012 Author Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 04:43 PM) At the time of draft everyone was salivating over him, IIRC. I read somewhere that's he's been learning a cutter and that has lead to his drop in stock. The writer suggested that if he dropped his cutter he'd rebound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 04:39 PM) Well, the good news is that McGuire looks like a very solid young arm. The bad news is that Drabek seems to be a failed prospect. However, both are under team control until at least 2018, I believe. Hopefully Coop can pull a "Gavin Floyd" on Drabek and turn around a failed Phillies top pitching prospect. Between Castro, Stewart, and Drabek, we'd be putting a whole lot of faith in Cooper's fixems for this rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (striker @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 04:45 PM) I read somewhere that's he's been learning a cutter and that has lead to his drop in stock. The writer suggested that if he dropped his cutter he'd rebound. I don't know that there's a team which does a better job of teaching a cutter than the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (Whitewashed in '05 @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 03:42 PM) I thought Drabek was good? Everyone kept talking about him when dealing with the Jays. Big-time pedigree, disappointing so far. Think Justin Smoak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (Whitewashed in '05 @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 05:42 PM) I thought Drabek was good? Everyone kept talking about him when dealing with the Jays. Well, he was the centerpiece in the Roy Halladay trade, so yeah, he was HIGHLY thought of a few years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 03:45 PM) He was the centerpiece of the Halladay trade. He had tons of hype, but at the same time certain people thought he was far overrated. He flopped big time in his major league trial last year. 6.06 ERA 1.81 WHIP 6.3 BB/9 5.8 SO/9 in 78 innings. He has potential, but he's developed some warts of late. I haven't seen the guy pitch at all, but the numbers scream 2007 Gavin Floyd. Make that 2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 This Deck McGuire seems to have a lot of potential... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 In the 2006 Major League Baseball Draft, Drabek was selected in the first round by the Philadelphia Phillies as the 18th overall pick.[4] He had been ranked as the twelfth-best prospect in the draft by Baseball America, but was drafted in a lower position because, at the time of the draft, there were concerns about personal incidents.[4] Marti Wolever, director of scouting for the Phillies, stated of the issues that the Phillies "feel very good about this selection. We think everything is behind him and we're moving on."[4] The Phillies opted to develop Drabek as a pitcher in their farm system.[4] Wiki. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted January 5, 2012 Author Share Posted January 5, 2012 With twitter being the new source of info, this will come in handy to know when things heat up. http://trendistic.indextank.com/gavin-floyd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Sooo....assuming this is true, and we get Drabek + McGuire...... that will put our total up to......14 pitchers we have acquired since July, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 03:45 PM) Between Castro, Stewart, and Drabek, we'd be putting a whole lot of faith in Cooper's fixems for this rotation. Imagine they pan out and Molina does as well...the rotation would be nasty. Unless they're traded for a 37 year old bat at the deadline some year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 There were huge concerns about Drabek's off the field actions heading into the draft. Tons of rumors about bad stuff he was involved in. He was pretty good in the minors, but really struggled last year cause he tried to hard to develop a cutter. His control was brutal, but if you could get him and someone else for Floyd, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Much like Simon Castro, this is someone you couldn't have gotten last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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