southsider2k5 Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 QUOTE (Springfield SoxFan @ Jan 8, 2012 -> 10:39 AM) No matter what happens with this thread, I do think Floyd gets traded before spring training. There have not been any hard denials that Floyd will be traded by KW or the Sox. Even if there were, that doesn't really matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Soxfan Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 8, 2012 -> 11:26 AM) Even if there were, that doesn't really matter. Again, solid point, as KW will trade anyone anytime, it is just interesting that all talk has been quite on GF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 QUOTE (mcgrad70 @ Jan 8, 2012 -> 05:21 PM) You have absolutely no guarantees this rebuilding is going to somehow turn the Sox around for the better. You only have to look to Madison Avenue and recall this owner's last attempt at rebuilding. Took over a decade for the Bulls to be viable again - and that was with near capacity crowds every game. He won't be getting that at the Cell. But Sox fans are comfortable with prolonged periods of mediocrity - to the delight of this owner. It's Madison Street, and it only took 5 years to get back to the playoffs, which wasn't that long considering the complete dismantling after 1998. We were essentially an expansion team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 8, 2012 -> 12:14 PM) It's Madison Street, and it only took 5 years to get back to the playoffs, which wasn't that long considering the complete dismantling after 1998. We were essentially an expansion team. The NBA also has twice as many playoff teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 8, 2012 -> 06:15 PM) The NBA also has twice as many playoff teams. I just don't think you can look to Jerry's handling of the bulls as an example as to why he's bad for the sox. The bulls are a pretty well run franchise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 8, 2012 -> 12:16 PM) I just don't think you can look to Jerry's handling of the bulls as an example as to why he's bad for the sox. The bulls are a pretty well run franchise. The Bulls are only where they are at because of one reason: Getting absolutely, extremely lucky with the 2008 Draft Lottery. 1.7% chance, and the Bulls got the No. 1 pick. Who knows where they would be without that? Edited January 8, 2012 by maggsmaggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jan 8, 2012 -> 12:39 PM) The Bulls are only where they are at because of one reason: Getting absolutely, extremely lucky with the 2008 Draft Lottery. 1.7% chance, and the Bulls got the No. 1 pick. Who knows where they would be without that? Lucky or not... You can't argue with 6 championships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 8, 2012 -> 12:15 PM) The NBA also has twice as many playoff teams. And it doesn't take as many good players to make you a playoff team in the NBA. After their 6th championship, the Bulls had the worst 3 or 4 year run winning percentage-wise in NBA history. They got lucky getting Rose. I really don't understand the people who want the Sox to be an all prospect team. They must really love having things to complain about. Edited January 8, 2012 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jan 8, 2012 -> 12:43 PM) Lucky or not... You can't argue with 6 championships. Considering the first two guys who got drafted the year Jordan got drafted both were ahead of him on the Bulls draft board, you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Lucky or smart or both, JR bought the Bulls the Carleton Sheets way, no money down. George Steinbrenner and Co. wanted out so badly, they basically handed the keys to JR in exchange for assuming some debt, and that was with Michael Jordan on the roster. I wouldn't mind one of my investments working out like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 33% with 2 WC's versus roughly 50% chance at the playoffs...comparing the two leagues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 8, 2012 -> 12:55 PM) Considering the first two guys who got drafted the year Jordan got drafted both were ahead of him on the Bulls draft board, you can. I would bet every other team in the league did too. Jordan... I know. They still did a fantastic job building around him. They were creative. Pippen wasn't some can't miss guy. Kukoc was a great pick up out of Europe. They took a chance on Rodman. They basically built 2 separate teams anchored by a superstar. It's not like having the best player in the league is a lock either. How many championships did Wilt win? How about Moses Malone? The Bulls also did a great job marketing their brand. They're popular all over the country. How many other teams can boast fans in every city chanting "MVP?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jan 8, 2012 -> 02:06 PM) I would bet every other team in the league did too. Jordan... I know. They still did a fantastic job building around him. They were creative. Pippen wasn't some can't miss guy. Kukoc was a great pick up out of Europe. They took a chance on Rodman. They basically built 2 separate teams anchored by a superstar. It's not like having the best player in the league is a lock either. How many championships did Wilt win? How about Moses Malone? The Bulls also did a great job marketing their brand. They're popular all over the country. How many other teams can boast fans in every city chanting "MVP?" Dr. J would be a better example, or Charles Barkley. Malone and Stockton. George Gervin. Alex English, etc. David Robinson, without Tim Duncan/Parker. I would say Malone was a very very good All-Star caliber center, but not one of the true superstars of the game. I guess it can be argued both ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 8, 2012 -> 06:09 PM) Dr. J would be a better example, or Charles Barkley. Malone and Stockton. George Gervin. Alex English, etc. David Robinson, without Tim Duncan/Parker. I would say Malone was a very very good All-Star caliber center, but not one of the true superstars of the game. I guess it can be argued both ways. Karl Malone was a power forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 8, 2012 -> 11:15 AM) Lucky or smart or both, JR bought the Bulls the Carleton Sheets way, no money down. George Steinbrenner and Co. wanted out so badly, they basically handed the keys to JR in exchange for assuming some debt, and that was with Michael Jordan on the roster. I wouldn't mind one of my investments working out like that. I learn something new every day. I had no idea that Steinbrenner was a minority owner of the Bulls at one point in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 8, 2012 -> 03:18 PM) Karl Malone was a power forward. And he was also a superstar. I don't know any way around it. If it weren't for MJ, the Jazz win at least 2 titles and who knows what else they might have done. Malone was a hell of a player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 8, 2012 -> 05:09 PM) Dr. J would be a better example, or Charles Barkley. Malone and Stockton. George Gervin. Alex English, etc. David Robinson, without Tim Duncan/Parker. I would say Malone was a very very good All-Star caliber center, but not one of the true superstars of the game. I guess it can be argued both ways. Moses Malone is the 7th all time scorer in NBA history. He's also the 5th leading rebounder in NBA history. He's not the player Karl Malone was, but he's far better than Barkley, English or Robinson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crash73 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jan 8, 2012 -> 06:10 PM) Moses Malone is the 7th all time scorer in NBA history. He's also the 5th leading rebounder in NBA history. He's not the player Karl Malone was, but he's far better than Barkley, English or Robinson. Ummmmmmmmmm...... is this SOXtalk? just asking...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 I am a pretty huge basketball fan -- but this has spiraled out of control Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 right the ship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Jan 8, 2012 -> 07:59 PM) I am a pretty huge basketball fan -- but this has spiraled out of control It is a thread about a fake trade dreamed up by some guy in Indiana. This thread never had a chance. Sorry. Go Sox?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 We're trading Floyd for Moses and Karl Malone? Cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 If Theo ran the Bulls, they would have 10 NBA titles by now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Are we really talking about Bore-sketball now in a Sox thread? So that means the trades probably not happening haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Johnny Damon has a lot of hits in his career and he was never close to a superstar!!! Back to our regularly scheduled fake Sox trade rumor of the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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