southsider2k5 Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 I'd do it if we were talking about Rios http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/01/06/wis...c8UTK5.facebook Wisch: A Soriano Solution? I Still Might Have One January 6, 2012 9:39 AM By Dave Wischnowsky – (CBS) By ridding the Chicago Cubs of Carlos Zambrano, Theo Epstein did the impossible this week. He found a cure for cancer. But now there’s a new question everyone’s asking about the Cubs’ organizational health: Can Epstein, MD, pull off an even bigger medical miracle and find a way to amputate an outfielder? Namely, Alfonso Soriano. This week, the word around Chicago is that the Cubs have received some inquiries this winter about their longtime left fielder, but have found no matches for a trade. Meanwhile, down on the South Side of town, the White Sox are still pondering the plague that was Adam Dunn in 2011 and have to be wondering if there’s a way to inoculate against another outbreak of his “Black Death” in 2012. Last June, I wrote a column entitled, “Dunn For Soriano? It’s Not That Crazy,” in which I examined the notion of the Cubs and White Sox killing two birds – albatrosses, of course – with just one stone by swapping their high-priced underachievers. Six months later, I’m wondering once again if that could work and whether Chicago baseball fans would be in favor such a deal. As a refresher about the sticky situations involving Soriano and Dunn, let’s first examine each player’s contract numbers. Dunn, who signed a four-year, $56 million deal last winter, is set to earn $14 million in 2012 and $15 million in both ’13 and ’14. Meanwhile, the Cubs are scheduled to pay Soriano $19 million each of the next three seasons. Add that up and Dunn is still owed $41 million by the Sox, while Soriano has $57 million coming from the Cubs. Now, considering that Theo & Co. were willing to eat $15 million just to send Zambrano packing to South Beach, it’s worth asking if they’d swallow another $16 million to send Soriano on his way to the South Side. And, of course, the other questions are would the White Sox even want him and would the Cubs actually want to take Dunn? Unlike Dunn, the biggest concern about Soriano isn’t if he can hit. While Alfonso will never be worth $19 million a year, the .244 average, 26 homers and 88 RBI he hit in 2011 wasn’t atrocious. Rather, the multi-million dollar question looming over Soriano like a high pop fly is what will the ham-handed outfielder look like defensively in the outfield when he’s 36 years old this season? And, even more disturbing, what will he look like when he’s 37 and 38? Dunn, meanwhile, could not have looked less comfortable as a designated hitter last season. The American League role clearly was not one that the slugger wanted to play, and with his .159 average, 11 home runs and 42 RBI, it certainly showed. Dunn is no defensive gem himself, of course, which is a huge reason why he ended up as a DH in the first place. However, the big guy can play first base as well as the outfield – and last time I checked, the Cubs still didn’t have any clear candidate to play at first next season. Dunn only turned 32 in November, so it’s not unreasonable to think that he might be rejuvenated by a return to the National League. He might also be reborn by merely returning to Wrigley Field, where Dunn has hit more home runs (25) than any place except for Cincinnati’s Great American Ballpark (125 homers), where he played his home games for eight full seasons. By trading for Soriano, the White Sox would be able to dump Dunn, who last season cemented himself as one of the worst free-agent signings in Chicago history and completely lost the support of the fans. Additionally, the South Siders also would get a usable piece in Soriano, who should still be a decent DH and occasional outfielder for the remainder of career. Fact is, there’s no easy solution for the Cubs to get rid of Soriano – not with his age and three years left on a monster deal. He’s a far tougher trade than Zambrano and to do so, the team will have to take on a bad contract in return. So, perhaps taking on Dunn’s would make the best of a bad situation. For both teams in town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 It's the new Peavy for Zambrano. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 No interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Nope. Only if Dunn screws up again this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Dunn might have suck last year but at least he gave effort.. I wouldn't want another lazy ass player on the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jan 6, 2012 -> 12:35 PM) Dunn might have suck last year but at least he gave effort.. I wouldn't want another lazy ass player on the Sox. What exactly makes you think that he gave effort? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jan 6, 2012 -> 12:44 PM) What exactly makes you think that he gave effort? At least he has the stone to show up at SoxFest and look fans in the eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jan 6, 2012 -> 12:35 PM) Dunn might have suck last year but at least he gave effort.. I wouldn't want another lazy ass player on the Sox. Who on the Sox is lazy? And why would you say that Soriano is lazy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Ugh, no thanks. Why not just get Andruw Jones back? He's better at defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 I have more faith in Dunn returning to near his opast glory than Soriano. But, yeah, I'd condsider it. But it's like buying a quick pick lotto ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 (edited) I love how the media thinks paying Chris Volstad $18M is a good move. Soriano is what he is. He was grossly overpaid. He is now older and even more grossly overpaid. He has some talent and it is what is was last year and will be going forward. A streaky hitter that is average but paid to be a superstar. Edited January 6, 2012 by Harry Chappas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 No thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 You guys know how I feel about the need for at least one left handed bat with a presence in the lineup. Soriano doesn’t qualify. Dunn needs to produce, and if he could be moved, the Sox would need to replace him with another left handed bat. I just don’t see how you build a potent offense with all right handed hitting, unless they’re all really good hitters, and ours aren’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jan 6, 2012 -> 12:44 PM) What exactly makes you think that he gave effort? I love those comments. The fat DH isn't lazy. When does he have a chance to be lazy? It doesn't take much effort to walk to the plate, take three swings and embarrass yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Yes I would consider it. Then I would say no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEANS Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 nope, you at least have to let Dunn try to bounce back this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Dunn should be tradable to a N. L. team. He only had one bad season, and it was as DH in a new league. There is likely some N. L. team that wouldn't mind sticking him back at first base. If the Sox could pay a modest portion of that contract, I think he's movable. Then I would go after Kendry Morales. The Angels have no place for him with Pujols and Trumbo, and the injury makes him questionable. It would be a low risk acquisition as he is not owed any big money. He is a monster versus RHP and a good defensive first baseman, it they want to spell Konerko occasionally. Of course, he would have to pass a physical, but I'd love him as the left handed bat in our lineup. He's not a bad hitter from the left side, as well. Then there is the Cuban connection. He could be one more reason for Cespedes, or any other Cuban defector, to consider coming to the South Side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 QUOTE (Lillian @ Jan 7, 2012 -> 03:16 AM) Dunn should be tradable to a N. L. team. He only had one bad season, and it was as DH in a new league. There is likely some N. L. team that wouldn't mind sticking him back at first base. If the Sox could pay a modest portion of that contract, I think he's movable. Then I would go after Kendry Morales. The Angels have no place for him with Pujols and Trumbo, and the injury makes him questionable. It would be a low risk acquisition as he is not owed any big money. He is a monster versus RHP and a good defensive first baseman, it they want to spell Konerko occasionally. Of course, he would have to pass a physical, but I'd love him as the left handed bat in our lineup. He's not a bad hitter from the left side, as well. Then there is the Cuban connection. He could be one more reason for Cespedes, or any other Cuban defector, to consider coming to the South Side. Kendrys Morales hasn't played in a ML baseball game since May of '10 and is on the brink of retiring. Really sad. A fluke injury occurring during a simple celebration after a walk-off GS is about to curtail what looked like a very promising career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 7, 2012 -> 04:12 AM) Kendrys Morales hasn't played in a ML baseball game since May of '10 and is on the brink of retiring. Really sad. A fluke injury occurring during a simple celebration after a walk-off GS is about to curtail what looked like a very promising career. This article from yesterday suggests that he will be back: http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/story/_...-trade-possible Edited January 7, 2012 by Lillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 I would trade Rios straight up for Soriano, straight up. I would, in no way, shape, or form, trade Dunn for Soriano. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 7, 2012 -> 07:46 AM) I would trade Rios straight up for Soriano, straight up. I would, in no way, shape, or form, trade Dunn for Soriano. I wouldn't take on an extra $20 million to get rid of Rios. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 QUOTE (Lillian @ Jan 7, 2012 -> 07:33 AM) This article from yesterday suggests that he will be back: http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/story/_...-trade-possible Others said the opposite yesterday. MLBInsideNews Scott Swaim #Breaking: Kendrys Morales is considering retirement as he meets with Dr. In Colorado. If he gets bad news from the ankle specialist (cont) MLBInsideNews Scott Swaim ... he may retire. He doesn't want to do another surgery. This all according to a source familiar with his thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 I had the same injury as Morales. There's no way I could play organized sports again. I have a noticeable limp and limited dexterity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jan 6, 2012 -> 02:06 PM) Soriano is what he is. He was grossly overpaid. He is now older and even more grossly overpaid. He has some talent and it is what is was last year and will be going forward. A streaky hitter that is average but paid to be a superstar. Soriano is yet another tribute to the wisdom of GM's throughout MLB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jan 6, 2012 -> 02:18 PM) I love those comments. The fat DH isn't lazy. When does he have a chance to be lazy? It doesn't take much effort to walk to the plate, take three swings and embarrass yourself. Exactly. I think in a lot of people's minds, not making excuses = giving effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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