LittleHurt05 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 HOF announcement at 2:00 Central time today. Sounds like Barry Larkin will probably be elected, not sure about anyone else. I'm still surprised that Tim Raines is having so much difficulty getting in. Also, Bagwell got 41.7% of the vote last year. I think his numbers are good enough, but he is a good example of a guy from the steroid era who was never connected or mentioned with them, but his size makes you wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 11:13 AM) HOF announcement at 2:00 Central time today. Sounds like Barry Larkin will probably be elected, not sure about anyone else. I'm still surprised that Tim Raines is having so much difficulty getting in. Also, Bagwell got 41.7% of the vote last year. I think his numbers are good enough, but he is a good example of a guy from the steroid era who was never connected or mentioned with them, but his size makes you wonder. Not sure if you read Jayson Stark's column about who he voted for...but it's a good read...especially about Bagwell and Edgar Martinez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 11:13 AM) HOF announcement at 2:00 Central time today. Sounds like Barry Larkin will probably be elected, not sure about anyone else. I'm still surprised that Tim Raines is having so much difficulty getting in. Also, Bagwell got 41.7% of the vote last year. I think his numbers are good enough, but he is a good example of a guy from the steroid era who was never connected or mentioned with them, but his size makes you wonder. There is a blogger out there who made a spreadsheet of all who made their votes public to this point. Larkin is at about 90% of those (108 reported so far). No one else is at 75%, or even that close. Bagwell, Raines, and Morris are all in the high 50's to low 60's percent range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted January 9, 2012 Author Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 11:14 AM) Not sure if you read Jayson Stark's column about who he voted for...but it's a good read...especially about Bagwell and Edgar Martinez. Good read, thanks. I actually agree with his stance on the steroid players. The PEDs were so prevalent in that era, how do you pick & choose which players should get in & which shouldn't. It's a good point that likely one day a player who was elected "clean" will end up coming out or be busted for having been a cheater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 11:22 AM) There is a blogger out there who made a spreadsheet of all who made their votes public to this point. Larkin is at about 90% of those (108 reported so far). No one else is at 75%, or even that close. Bagwell, Raines, and Morris are all in the high 50's to low 60's percent range. Larkin is the only sure thing out of those guys anyway, so I won't be upset if he's the only one elected. I'd like Morris and Raines to get in eventually, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Barry Larkin is the only one who got in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 02:01 PM) Barry Larkin is the only one who got in. 86% of the vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 02:01 PM) 86% of the vote. Figured he'd get in but that is a high percentage. Still no Jack Morris. Eek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 BNightengale Bob Nightengale Jack Morris climbs to 66% with 2 years left on ballot. #MLB #Twins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 02:07 PM) BNightengale Bob Nightengale Jack Morris climbs to 66% with 2 years left on ballot. #MLB #Twins If he wants to get in on the regular ballot, he better smarten up and die soon. Edited January 9, 2012 by Milkman delivers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted January 9, 2012 Author Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 02:07 PM) BNightengale Bob Nightengale Jack Morris climbs to 66% with 2 years left on ballot. #MLB #Twins Considering the names coming up in 2013 & 2014, he could be in trouble. 2013 - Bonds, Clemens, Piazza, Schilling, Sosa, Biggio, Royce Clayton 2014 - Maddux, Glavine, Thomas, Kent, Mussina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Raines up to 49%, up 37.5% last time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 02:13 PM) Considering the names coming up in 2013 & 2014, he could be in trouble. 2013 - Bonds, Clemens, Piazza, Schilling, Sosa, Biggio, Royce Clayton 2014 - Maddux, Glavine, Thomas, Kent, Mussina He could get a lot of votes in 2013 as protests towards the juicer crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) I can't believe more than half of the voters still think Raines isn't a HOF. It took me a while to come around on him too, but he belongs. Jack Morris...I don't need stats on him. He belongs. Multiple 20-win seasons, 175 complete games, 3 championships with three different teams, including winning Game 7 of the 91 series. Now with the beefy ballots coming on the next couple years, it will be interesting to see if he goes over the hump next year. Edited January 9, 2012 by flavum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 There a cap on how many can go in a year? 5? QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 02:13 PM) Considering the names coming up in 2013 & 2014, he could be in trouble. 2013 - Bonds, Clemens, Piazza, Schilling, Sosa, Biggio, Royce Clayton 2014 - Maddux, Glavine, Thomas, Kent, Mussina Strange that I can openly admit that Schilling is, by far, the most deserving of the 2013 class. I hate him. And why would anyone even mention Royce Clayton? QUOTE (flavum @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 02:17 PM) I can't believe more than half of the voters still think Raines isn't a HOF. It took me a while to come around on him too, but he belongs. Jack Morris...I don't need stats on him. He belongs. Multiple 20-win seasons, 125 complete games, 3 championships with three different teams, including winning Game 7 of the 91 series. Now with the beefy ballots coming on the next couple years, it will be interesting to see if he goes over the hump next year. 4 championships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 02:23 PM) There a cap on how many can go in a year? 5? Strange that I can openly admit that Schilling is, by far, the most deserving of the 2013 class. I hate him. And why would anyone even mention Royce Clayton? 4 championships. 10 can go in. It has never come close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 02:24 PM) 10 can go in. It has never come close. It seems like it's unofficially a cap of 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 02:23 PM) 4 championships. (for Morris) Correct. He wasn't on the playoff roster in 93. Edited January 9, 2012 by flavum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted January 9, 2012 Author Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 02:23 PM) Strange that I can openly admit that Schilling is, by far, the most deserving of the 2013 class. I hate him. And why would anyone even mention Royce Clayton? Outstanding defense. Golden Globe quality acting. Why wouldn't you mention him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 I feel like Piazza is the most deserving of the 2013 class, am I wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Larkin in, good. Morris and Raines should be in. And I'll continue hammering that Dale Murphy should be in. He has a better case than Jim Rice or Andre Dawson, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 02:43 PM) I feel like Piazza is the most deserving of the 2013 class, am I wrong? He may well be the only one of that group in 2013. Sosa, Bonds, Clemens won't because of the steroid stuff. Schilling and Biggio don't seem like first ballot material to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 How is it that people like Brad Radke and Eric Young got votes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 jaysonst Jayson Stark Only 2 players on this HOF ballot got fewer votes this year than last. One was Juan Gonzalez (down 7). The other: Mark McGwire (minus-3). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 02:46 PM) How is it that people like Brad Radke and Eric Young got votes? My personal favorite was someone voting for Bill Mueller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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