Kyyle23 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 22, 2011 -> 01:29 PM) Belichick has built the system around them. Yes, they are talented and athletic, but they aren't the greatest TEs in football, and Gronkowski physically is no better than Greg Olsen. It's the system. Belichick has decided he wants to make a showcase of his TE's and that is what is happening. He decided years ago he wanted Brady to set the TD record, and it happened as well. I credit it all to Belichick, not some new wave, "oh my god the Pats somehow have the two best TE's in the game", theory. At no point did I say either of those things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Compared to the last few years as well, Brady doesn't have the kind of WR dominance he had with Moss on the outside, and he hasn't had his previous checkdown target (Faulk) for quite a while, he hasn't had the running game he had backing him when they were winning titles, and he hasn't had the defense he had when they were winning titles (so Brady must put points up). So there is a lot of difference there. But yeah, they're still quite good, and I think Gronkowski is a couple steps above Olsen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 22, 2011 -> 01:42 PM) Compared to the last few years as well, Brady doesn't have the kind of WR dominance he had with Moss on the outside, and he hasn't had his previous checkdown target (Faulk) for quite a while, he hasn't had the running game he had backing him when they were winning titles, and he hasn't had the defense he had when they were winning titles (so Brady must put points up). So there is a lot of difference there. But yeah, they're still quite good, and I think Gronkowski is a couple steps above Olsen. he still has Welker, who is either 1 or 2 in receptions this season. And Branch is no slouch either. i will give you faulk and the lack of a running game, but Brady has 4 pretty damn good recievers to throw to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 See, the moment you refer to Deion Branch as "pretty damn good" is the moment I start to ignore you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 System + good QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Also, gronkowski doesn't appear to be afraid of getting hit, unlike Olsen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Olsen and Gronkowski are about the same only Gronkowski is bigger and faster. Oh and he has better hands and can block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 I got them MOOOOooooOOOOooves Like Welker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Kyle Orton put on waivers by Broncos today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Nov 22, 2011 -> 03:01 PM) Kyle Orton put on waivers by Broncos today Clearly the Bears will be claiming him. THEY f***ING SHOULD TOO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Kyle Orton waived by the Broncos today. I wonder if the Bears would have a chance to pick him up by Sunday. He would be an OK option to serve as a backup to Caleb. He did OK in the caretaker role back in 2005-06. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Dude, i'd love to have orton back. Maybe he's changed, but I used to love getting the pictures of him drunk as hell with stains all over his shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Bellichick is just taking advantage of undervalued assets in the marketplace to maximize his resources...he's smart enough to understand how to incorporate them into his systems to achieve success. Obviously, much of this revolves around having one of the best qb's in history, but that's all he's doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Does the AFC get first dibs on him, like in baseball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 NECKBEARD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 I bet someone else puts in a claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 NO, i want neckbeard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 22, 2011 -> 04:02 PM) Bellichick is just taking advantage of undervalued assets in the marketplace to maximize his resources...he's smart enough to understand how to incorporate them into his systems to achieve success. Obviously, much of this revolves around having one of the best qb's in history, but that's all he's doing. MONEYBALL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 (edited) If I were the Chiefs I would claim neckbeard. Cause that Tyler Palko is pretty awful at football. Edited November 22, 2011 by GoSox05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 22, 2011 -> 04:04 PM) Does the AFC get first dibs on him, like in baseball? I don't believe so, it just goes by record, worst to first. Since the Bears have such a tough strength of schedule, I believe they are 30th in the waiver order, only ahead of GB & SF. I think they have the best SOS of all the 7-3 teams, which sucks for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Nov 22, 2011 -> 04:13 PM) If I were the Chiefs I would claim neckbeard. Cause that Tyler Palko is pretty awful at football. He actually didn't look that bad. And it wouldn't make any sense for KC to claim Orton anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 How long would it take for Orton to learn the Martz system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Please bring Kyle Orton back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Nov 22, 2011 -> 03:13 PM) If I were the Chiefs I would claim neckbeard. Cause that Tyler Palko is pretty awful at football. Yeah, he blows. So does Skelton and Bartel for AZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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