Kyyle23 Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 11:26 AM) It's not up to Jerry, it's Lovie's call. Lovie probably doesn't want to get the kid killed behind that offensive line. Wouldn't surprise me if Enderle starts against the Vikings next week. So it is a better idea starting him against Jared Allen? McCown shouldnt play, if they believe Enderle has a future in the league, its time to find out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 11:26 AM) It's not up to Jerry, it's Lovie's call. Lovie probably doesn't want to get the kid killed behind that offensive line. Wouldn't surprise me if Enderle starts against the Vikings next week. The Packers are 26th in the league with 27 sacks. The Vikings are 3rd with 40 and have the individual league leader. Someone is gonna get killed either Sunday. I think Lovie is just playing the still alive for the playoffs card and going with the veteran. I'd rather give Enderle a shot, but I'm sure he will be Hanie-esque so what's the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 I'd rather start McCown than enderle. Enderle looked bad in preseason. You owe it to the vets on this team to TRY and make it to 9-7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 21, 2011 Author Share Posted December 21, 2011 MarkPotash Mark Potash Josh McCown is the third QB to play for the Bears this season who never had a winning record at a Div. I college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 01:23 PM) MarkPotash Mark Potash Josh McCown is the third QB to play for the Bears this season who never had a winning record at a Div. I college. Yeah, Jay Cutler stinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 11:36 AM) So it is a better idea starting him against Jared Allen? McCown shouldnt play, if they believe Enderle has a future in the league, its time to find out Yes. Jared Allen is one guy and he would be the only one to cause any problems. The Packers defense will give a rookie all kinds of problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 So we have tons of holes going into last years draft and decide to use our 4th pick on a potential third string qb and ignore the other pressing needs the team has. Our starting QB gets hurt, it turns out our backup QB is bad and instead of giving the draft pick a chance they bring in a guy off the street who wont be on the team next year to play the last 2 games of a lost cause. Well I suppose its a good thing we used that pick on a third string qb who they arent even going to give a chance to play instead of going after a WR, LT, RG, C, TE, CB, OLB, FS. Decisions like that and the inability to draft capable depth is the difference between the Bears going from riding high after the San Diego game to becoming a joke after Cutler and Forte went down. Then look at a team like Houston who has had Arian Foster, Matt Schaubb, Matt Leinart, Andre Johnson, Mario Williams and probably others I cant think of miss time this season and have managed to stay afloat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 11:58 AM) I'd rather start McCown than enderle. Enderle looked bad in preseason. You owe it to the vets on this team to TRY and make it to 9-7. At least enderle had a preseason. McCown was teaching a month ago, and hadnt played in the NFL in 2 years. I really dont know how McCown gives you a better shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 12:54 PM) So we have tons of holes going into last years draft and decide to use our 4th pick on a potential third string qb and ignore the other pressing needs the team has. Our starting QB gets hurt, it turns out our backup QB is bad and instead of giving the draft pick a chance they bring in a guy off the street who wont be on the team next year to play the last 2 games of a lost cause. Well I suppose its a good thing we used that pick on a third string qb who they arent even going to give a chance to play instead of going after a WR, LT, RG, C, TE, CB, OLB, FS. Decisions like that and the inability to draft capable depth is the difference between the Bears going from riding high after the San Diego game to becoming a joke after Cutler and Forte went down. Then look at a team like Houston who has had Arian Foster, Matt Schaubb, Matt Leinart, Andre Johnson, Mario Williams and probably others I cant think of miss time this season and have managed to stay afloat. If Hanie played as well as the Texans' 3rd string, rookie 5th round pick, quarterback has, we would probably be, at least, 8-6. Probably 9-5. That's the biggest indictment on Martz and Angelo. The Texans have had to rely on T.J. Yates to keep their season moving, and he's been drastically better (albeit, still mediocre) than Caleb Hanie. Hanie has had 4 years to prepare for this moment. The Bears had 4 years to train Hanie for this moment. The Bears have had 4 years to evaluate if Hanie was worthy of this moment. Big time failure on all accounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 QUOTE (MurcieOne @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 02:40 PM) If Hanie played as well as the Texans' 3rd string, rookie 5th round pick, quarterback has, we would probably be, at least, 8-6. Probably 9-5. That's the biggest indictment on Martz and Angelo. The Texans have had to rely on T.J. Yates to keep their season moving, and he's been drastically better (albeit, still mediocre) than Caleb Hanie. Hanie has had 4 years to prepare for this moment. The Bears had 4 years to train Hanie for this moment. The Bears have had 4 years to evaluate if Hanie was worthy of this moment. Big time failure on all accounts. Yates has also had his RB's there in the games since he took over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 QUOTE (MurcieOne @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 01:40 PM) If Hanie played as well as the Texans' 3rd string, rookie 5th round pick, quarterback has, we would probably be, at least, 8-6. Probably 9-5. That's the biggest indictment on Martz and Angelo. The Texans have had to rely on T.J. Yates to keep their season moving, and he's been drastically better (albeit, still mediocre) than Caleb Hanie. Hanie has had 4 years to prepare for this moment. The Bears had 4 years to train Hanie for this moment. The Bears have had 4 years to evaluate if Hanie was worthy of this moment. Big time failure on all accounts. Well said. Yates is helped by one of the best running games in the league, but he still has played mediocrely enough to keep his team in some games. Hanie has been much much worse. Everyone remembers how bad the Quinn/Hutchinson/Krenzel era was for the Bears. Well, according to QB rating, Hanie has been worse. Bottom 3 QB passer ratings of the Lovie Smith era: (min. 3 starts, so no Todd Collins) Jonathan Quinn 53.7 Craig Krenzel 52.5 Caleb Hanie 41.6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 01:47 PM) Yates has also had his RB's there in the games since he took over. Granted. Still, the Bears run game hasn't been miserable in Forte's absence - despite the fact that teams were stacking the box. Obviously, Forte's absence is felt in the screen/checkdown game. Hanie could have benefitted from having Forte as a checkdown, provided that Hanie would've thrown accurate passes to Forte. Hanie's on-field performances provide evidence to the contrary. I don't think there are any viable excuses to explain away Hanie's failures. He's just been THAT bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 21, 2011 Author Share Posted December 21, 2011 QUOTE (MurcieOne @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 02:06 PM) Granted. Still, the Bears run game hasn't been miserable in Forte's absence - despite the fact that teams were stacking the box. Obviously, Forte's absence is felt in the screen/checkdown game. Hanie could have benefitted from having Forte as a checkdown, provided that Hanie would've thrown accurate passes to Forte. Hanie's on-field performances provide evidence to the contrary. I don't think there are any viable excuses to explain away Hanie's failures. He's just been THAT bad. Well one viable excuse is the offensive line. I don't think it means Hanie would have been a superstar or anything, but it is an valid question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 I'm not sure if this was already posted but: Ex-NFL Star Willie Gault Sued by SEC in Stock-Pumping Fraud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id...for-caleb-hanie ESPN's Stats & Information judges each NFL pass to determine whether it was thrown "under duress," defined as any time a quarterback is forced from the pocket, had his throwing motion altered or faced a defender with a clear path in his line of sight. When under duress, Hanie threw all three of his touchdown passes and two of his interceptions. When not under duress, he threw seven interceptions. Some context: Hanie is the only NFL quarterback with at least 80 attempts this season who hasn't thrown at least one touchdown pass when not under duress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 06:48 PM) http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id...for-caleb-hanie In other words, he can't read defenses and is dumb as s***. He is a good athlete and can have success when improvising and allowing his athleticism to take over. That probably explains why he had success when thrown into the mix against GB, had success at the end of the Raiders game, had a little success at the end of the Chiefs game, had a little success in the second half of the Broncos game....it seems like he just isn't particularly good unless he is forced to avoid thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 05:48 PM) http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id...for-caleb-hanie Interesting. Hanie was a decent passer while moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Good-bye Mr. Hanie, never want to see you in a Bears uniform ever again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 08:53 AM) Some of that won't change. football is a sport where there are purposeful collisions. quarterbacks are not typically the ones you see with these symptoms. You do now becuase of the prevalence of the artificial surfaces. However, a factor that people don't talk about because it isn't as populr of a topic is that much of that brain damage can be link to steriod use as well. This is where the media misses the boat. Steriod use is as big a factor as the concussions for brain damage. http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles...football,26140/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 QUOTE (lostfan @ Dec 21, 2011 -> 07:51 PM) http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles...football,26140/ That's a great articles. i hadn't seen it. Probably the only thing the body is designed more poorly for is to throw an object overhand such as a baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Sorry Rock, but apparently The Sanchise has snagged Kate Upton. For being such a bad QB, he sure has taken advantage of his status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 22, 2011 -> 09:10 AM) Sorry Rock, but apparently The Sanchise has snagged Kate Upton. For being such a bad QB, he sure has taken advantage of his status. He sure loves younger women.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 22, 2011 -> 10:01 AM) He sure loves younger hot women.. yes he does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Can't blame the guy, we all would be doing the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 (edited) holy shmolee Edited December 22, 2011 by MexSoxFan#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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