Official 2011-2012 NFL Thread

[Chisoxfn]

By the way...Cutler, touche. You played amazing last night. I think you only threw like 3 actual incomplete passes. There were about 7 drops, including Hester dropping what should have been a freaking incredible touchdown pass.

[MexSoxFan#1]

Right, that's what I mean. NO gets Sproles involved. I've seen GB get Cobb involved on a couple of offensive plays.

 

I also fail to understand why Cutler isn't in the shotgun 90% of the time. If that gives him an extra second or two, how is that a bad thing?

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The few times they go shotgun it's almost always with an empty backfield, keep Forte back there with Cutler you idiots!Empty backfield = pass, the D linemen pin their ears back and go after Cutler.Having Forte in a shotgun with Cutler can give him extra protection and the threat of a delayed run or a swing pass to Forte if nothing is open downfield.Again, terrible offensive schemes by our coaching staff.Everybody knows our weakness, the OL stinks, create plays that work against the opponents aggresiveness to attack our O line!

[Chisoxfn]

I honestly dont' know if there is a QB in the league that could have done what Cutler did last night. I really don't. He played incredible and it didn't even matter. I think he had maybe 2 opportunities to plan his feet all night.

 

It really pisses me off that the Bears have wasted 3 years of Jay in his prime. They haven't given him weapons or an opportunity and its really sad.

[Kyyle23]

Right, that's what I mean. NO gets Sproles involved. I've seen GB get Cobb involved on a couple of offensive plays.

 

I also fail to understand why Cutler isn't in the shotgun 90% of the time. If that gives him an extra second or two, how is that a bad thing?

 

Sproles and Cobb are not the same thing as Hester. Both of them know their respective positions as a running back and wide reciever, Devin is never going to truly know the WR position. He is basically a track star disguised as a football player. Cobb is going to eventually be a bigger part of Green Bays offense, he just has guys like Jones, Driver, Finley, and Jennings ahead of him in the depth chart. Sproles has been a big part of the offense in both San Diego and now NO. We have seen the Bears try to get Devin more involved, and mostly we have seen him drop wide open passes like he did last night, and run screens 10 yards in the wrong direction like he did last night.

 

Worlds best kick returner. Thats it.

 

 

Cutler, you were a man among infants last night. Omiyale should retire from the game right now citing his embarrassment at what he put you through.

[Soxbadger]

Sproles doesnt play WR, he is a running back. The better comparison for Hester is Percy Harvin, a player who in College really didnt have a set position and now in the pros is trying to be mainly a WR (Hester has it even harder as he wasnt really an offensive player for the Hurricanes.)

 

That being said, the Bears could be more creative in getting Hester the ball. There is nothing that says he cant line up in the back field (unless Hester cant grasp the playbook, but if thats the case he shouldnt start at WR).

 

As for Lovie being above average, above average coaches dont make the mistakes Lovie does. I guess my problem is that Lovie isnt clever. If there is something the Bears can take advantage of while the game is going on, Lovie just doesnt seem to catch it.

 

If I was the owner Id strongly consider firing a coach for the FG debacle.

Edited October 11, 2011 by Soxbadger

[Steve9347]

Angelo has to be fired for his failures on the line and with wide-outs.

...and his 0.05% draft hit rate.

[MexSoxFan#1]

Sproles and Cobb are not the same thing as Hester. Both of them know their respective positions as a running back and wide reciever, Devin is never going to truly know the WR position. He is basically a track star disguised as a football player. Cobb is going to eventually be a bigger part of Green Bays offense, he just has guys like Jones, Driver, Finley, and Jennings ahead of him in the depth chart. Sproles has been a big part of the offense in both San Diego and now NO. We have seen the Bears try to get Devin more involved, and mostly we have seen him drop wide open passes like he did last night, and run screens 10 yards in the wrong direction like he did last night.

 

Worlds best kick returner. Thats it.

 

 

Cutler, you were a man among infants last night. Omiyale should retire from the game right now citing his embarrassment at what he put you through.

I diasgree, both are also return specialists, I can't believe Hester wouldn't be used more effectively by teams like GB or NO that are more creative offensively.Hester should be used in about 4-6 special plays designed for him per game, not running reciever routes on almost every offensive play.

[BigSqwert]

Devin is never going to truly know the WR position. He is basically a track star disguised as a football player.

 

They could have probably received a King's ransom by trading him to Oakland. That opportunity is no longer there with Al's passing.

[Kyyle23]

I diasgree, both are also return specialists, I can't believe Hester wouldn't be used more effectively by teams like GB or NO that are more creative offensively.Hester should be used in about 4-6 special plays designed for him per game, not running reciever routes on almost every offensive play.

 

Sproles is much, much more than a return specialist. Not even on the same planet as Hester. And havent you noticed when the bears do run specific plays for Hester, they are usually blown up immediately? Either he is bad at hiding it, or the team is bad at hiding it.

[Soxbadger]

Steve,

 

Angelo is okay at drafting, his problem is that either he gets it right or completely misses. You can live with that as long as you supplant your team with free agents.

[fathom]

Steve,

 

Angelo is okay at drafting, his problem is that either he gets it right or completely misses. You can live with that as long as you supplant your team with free agents.

 

Maybe like five years ago. His draft record the last few years is horrible

[MexSoxFan#1]

Sproles is much, much more than a return specialist. Not even on the same planet as Hester. And havent you noticed when the bears do run specific plays for Hester, they are usually blown up immediately? Either he is bad at hiding it, or the team is bad at hiding it.

That's true, they hardly ever surprise the defense.

 

I would also add that teams like GB and NO have many more weapons that the defense usually don't focus on Cobb or Sproles, making their plays more effective.We don't have that with the Bears.

Edited October 11, 2011 by MexSoxFan#1

[whitesoxfan99]

That's true, they hardly ever surprise the defense.

 

I would also add that teams like GB and NO have some many weapons that the defense usually don't focus on Cobb or Sproles, making their plays more effective.We don't have that with the Bears.

 

They also have offensive lines that don't consistently get blown up and commit penalties.

[LittleHurt05]

Maybe like five years ago. His draft record the last few years is horrible

 

Over the last 5 seasons, he had made 11 2nd & 3rd round picks. Those picks need to immediately contribute.

 

6 are no longer with the team.

1 has yet to see a snap

2 are safeties who are only special teamers presently

2 of them are major contributors (I will give Bennett the benefit of the doubt before his injury)

 

That is unacceptable and can help ruin a franchise.

[Steve9347]

Steve,

 

Angelo is okay at drafting, his problem is that either he gets it right or completely misses. You can live with that as long as you supplant your team with free agents.

 

Let's review the last many drafts.

 

2011

1 29 Gabe Carimi OT Wisconsin

2 53 Stephen Paea DT Oregon State

3 93 Chris Conte FS California

5 160 Nathan Enderle QB Idaho

6 195 J.T. Thomas LB West Virginia

 

1st round - OT Gabe Carimi - too early to call, but the promise is there. The rest? Also too early, but my money is on "complete s***".

 

2010

3 75 Major Wright FS Florida

4 109 Corey Wootton DE Northwestern

5 140 Joshua Moore CB Kansas State

6 181 Dan LeFevour QB Central Michigan

7 218 J'Marcus Webb OT West Texas A&M

 

Picks in rounds 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 - all are bad. The crown jewel Major Wright is terrible. Did get Jay Cutler, whom they haven't bothered to protect.

 

2009

3 68 Jarron Gilbert Defensive Tackle San Jose State

3 99 Juaquin Iglesias Wide Receiver Oklahoma

4 105 Henry Melton Defensive End Texas

4 119 D.J. Moore Cornerback Vanderbilt

5 140 Johnny Knox Wide Receiver Abilene Christian

5 154 Marcus Freeman Linebacker Ohio State

6 190 Al Afalava Safety Oregon State

7 246 Lance Louis Tight End / Offensive Lineman San Diego State

7 251 Derek Kinder Wide Receiver Pittsburgh

 

9 picks, the first of which was a guy who jumps out of swimming pools and never did anything. Johnny Knox in the 5th round was decent. Melton and Moore might wind up as solid starters

 

2008

1 14 Chris Williams OT Vanderbilt

2 44 Matt Forte RB Tulane

3 70 Earl Bennett WR Vanderbilt

3 90 Marcus Harrison DT Arkansas

4 120 Craig Steltz S LSU

5 142 Zack Bowman CB Nebraska

5 158 Kellen Davis TE Michigan State

7 208 Ervin Baldwin DE Michigan State

7 222 Chester Adams OG Georgia

7 243 Joey LaRocque LB Oregon State

7 247 Kirk Barton OT Ohio State

7 248 Marcus Monk WR Arkansas

 

7 picks in the first 5 rounds. Hit their 2nd rounder out of the ballpark with Forte, but hurt themselves just as much with busted 1st and 3rd rounders in Chris Williams and Earl Bennett. With a total of 12 picks, the Bears hit on one of them.

 

2007

1 31 Greg Olsen Tight end Miami

2 62 Dan Bazuin Defensive End Central Michigan

3 93 Garrett Wolfe Running back Northern Illinois

3 94 Michael Okwo Linebacker Stanford

4 130 Josh Beekman Guard Boston College

5 167 Kevin Payne Strong Safety Louisiana-Monroe

5 168 Corey Graham Cornerback New Hampshire

7 221 Trumaine McBride Cornerback Ole Miss

7 241 Aaron Brant Offensive Tackle Iowa State

 

9 picks. Greg Olsen at the end of the 1st round... he fell, they made the right pick. Years later, the Bears give away their only productive receiver for a 3rd rounder. Bears take Garrett Wolfe in the 3rd f***ing round. Wow. Corey Graham in the 5th was ok.

 

2006

Round Pick Name Position College

2 42 Danieal Manning Safety Abilene Christian

2 57 Devin Hester Cornerback Miami

3 73 Dusty Dvoracek Defensive tackle Oklahoma

4 120 Jamar Williams Linebacker Arizona State

5 159 Mark Anderson Defensive End Alabama

6 195 J.D. Runnels Fullback Oklahoma

6 200 Tyler Reed Guard Penn State

 

Devin Hester in the 3rd round. Obviously a home run. The rest? Daniel Manning was decent.

[Jenksismyhero]

Sproles doesnt play WR, he is a running back. The better comparison for Hester is Percy Harvin, a player who in College really didnt have a set position and now in the pros is trying to be mainly a WR (Hester has it even harder as he wasnt really an offensive player for the Hurricanes.)

 

That being said, the Bears could be more creative in getting Hester the ball. There is nothing that says he cant line up in the back field (unless Hester cant grasp the playbook, but if thats the case he shouldnt start at WR).

As for Lovie being above average, above average coaches dont make the mistakes Lovie does. I guess my problem is that Lovie isnt clever. If there is something the Bears can take advantage of while the game is going on, Lovie just doesnt seem to catch it.

 

If I was the owner Id strongly consider firing a coach for the FG debacle.

 

I don't think i've ever seen him make a halftime adjustment. That's what good coaches do.

[Soxbadger]

Steve,

 

Check other teams success rates. They may be marginally better, but the reality is the Bears problem is not having high draft picks. Since 2006 the Bears have had 3 1st round picks and 5 2nd round picks.

 

In comparison the Patriots have had: 4 1st round picks and 11 2nd round picks.

 

Packers have had 6 1st round picks and 8 2nd round pcks.

 

Bears- 8 1st and 2nd round picks

 

Patriots- 15 1st and 2nd round picks

 

Packers- 14 1st and 2nd round picks

 

I dont care if your Bill Walsh, you are going to have a tough time with that few 1st and 2nd rounders. (edit) The problem is the Bears are averaging basically 1 player in the 1st/2nd per year, where as better teams are averaging over 2 per year. Thats a big difference and helps keep your team young.

 

I only said Angelo was okay, not that he was good or even average, just that he did pick Forte and a big hit like that should make up for a lot of misses.

Edited October 11, 2011 by Soxbadger

[Steve9347]

Steve,

 

Check other teams success rates. They may be marginally better, but the reality is the Bears problem is not having high draft picks. Since 2006 the Bears have had 3 1st round picks and 5 2nd round picks.

 

In comparison the Patriots have had: 4 1st round picks and 11 2nd round picks.

 

Packers have had 6 1st round picks and 8 2nd round pcks.

 

Bears- 8 1st and 2nd round picks

 

Patriots- 15 1st and 2nd round picks

 

Packers- 14 1st and 2nd round picks

 

I dont care if your Bill Walsh, you are going to have a tough time with that few 1st and 2nd rounders. (edit) The problem is the Bears are averaging basically 1 player in the 1st/2nd per year, where as better teams are averaging over 2 per year. Thats a big difference and helps keep your team young.

 

I only said Angelo was okay, not that he was good or even average, just that he did pick Forte and a big hit like that should make up for a lot of misses.

It's not like the high picks simply disappeared against Jerry's will. Angelo makes very questionable trades. I obviously support the Cutler deal, but then he's done nothing to improve the offense around Jay to give him the opportunity to succeed.

 

Angelo dealt a 2nd rounder for a busted 1st round pick. I won't hate on him for the fact that said player died (Gaines Adams), but he still paid a hefty price for a bust.

[LittleHurt05]

I only said Angelo was okay, not that he was good or even average, just that he did pick Forte and a big hit like that should make up for a lot of misses.

 

What? He found a solid running back in the 2nd round, that's not a "big hit". That's where you are supposed to pick players like that. Forte is very good, but let's not act like he is Adrian Peterson. That doesn't make up for the season he before where his 2nd & 3rd round picks failed to make it our of training camp.

[whitesoxfan99]

2007

1 31 Greg Olsen Tight end Miami

2 62 Dan Bazuin Defensive End Central Michigan

3 93 Garrett Wolfe Running back Northern Illinois

3 94 Michael Okwo Linebacker Stanford

4 130 Josh Beekman Guard Boston College

5 167 Kevin Payne Strong Safety Louisiana-Monroe

5 168 Corey Graham Cornerback New Hampshire

7 221 Trumaine McBride Cornerback Ole Miss

7 241 Aaron Brant Offensive Tackle Iowa State

 

It is literally impossible to do a worse job with 2nd and 3rd round picks than the Bears did that year.

Edited October 11, 2011 by whitesoxfan99

[Steve9347]

It is literally impossible to do a worse job with 2nd and 3rd round picks than the Bears did that year.

2011 is certainly looking to match 2007 in that category.

[Soxbadger]

Steve,

 

The point I was making is that if anything Angelo has killed the team by trading high draft picks for marginal returns. People are just overrating the success rate of 3rd round or worse picks.

[Soxfest]

Worst part about Halas Hall is Angelo and company still think there is NO problem with the OL or the Bears in general. He is f***ing clueless! Stephen Paea DT in the 2nd round is a awful pick he is not been active all year a OL could of helped this team. Angelo as a talent evaluator is a D to D- on a good day!

Edited October 11, 2011 by Soxfest

[Steve9347]

Steve,

 

The point I was making is that if anything Angelo has killed the team by trading high draft picks for marginal returns. People are just overrating the success rate of 3rd round or worse picks.

Angelo has killed this team pretty much in all facets. He's pissed away a decade's-worth of good defense while continually failing to build an offense.

 

Now, everything's about to come to a boil as he's drafted so poorly that we have no replacements for the rapidly declining players who have kept us afloat for so long.

[Soxfest]

Angelo has killed this team pretty much in all facets. He's pissed away a decade's-worth of good defense while continually failing to build an offense.

 

Now, everything's about to come to a boil as he's drafted so poorly that we have no replacements for the rapidly declining players who have kept us afloat for so long.

Spot on!