Jenksismyhero Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 12:34 PM) You put this on Facebook in the morning. Not only am I calling BS on this...but I'm goign to ask in reply, where would his career be if he thanked Allah after winning a game at Florida? I'd say 5th round pick, practice squad somewhere. Probably true. The only reason he ever got a chance to start is because his fanbase loves him, not because of football, but because of religion. Definitely not true. He wasn't drafted because he loves Jesus. He was drafted because some coach sold a franchise on the idea that he could do something at the QB position that other guys couldn't. So far he's been proven right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 01:43 PM) Definitely not true. He wasn't drafted because he loves Jesus. He was drafted because some coach sold a franchise on the idea that he could do something at the QB position that other guys couldn't. So far he's been proven right. And you don't think that "Having an incredibly devoted fanbase who won't stop asking about him and who makes it incredibly profitable to give him a chance" plays into that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 9, 2012 Author Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 12:43 PM) Definitely not true. He wasn't drafted because he loves Jesus. He was drafted because some coach sold a franchise on the idea that he could do something at the QB position that other guys couldn't. So far he's been proven right. Yep. The athletic QB has been in vogue for a while now. Guys like JaMarcus Russell and Vince Young are great proof of reaches there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 12:43 PM) Definitely not true. He wasn't drafted because he loves Jesus. He was drafted because some coach sold a franchise on the idea that he could do something at the QB position that other guys couldn't. So far he's been proven right. But the only reason he get's this ridiculous amount of attention is due to jahova god almighty. Only reason. My theory still holds, he's a mobile Rex Grossman with a s***tier arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 12:48 PM) And you don't think that "Having an incredibly devoted fanbase who won't stop asking about him and who makes it incredibly profitable to give him a chance" plays into that? Lol, another Christian conspiracy. I love it. And no, your opinion here is absolutely, 100% ridiculous. The Broncos made a franchise decision to play an untested guy after their season was lost over a career back-up who failed as a starter for Cleveland. The rest is history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 12:54 PM) But the only reason he get's this ridiculous amount of attention is due to jahova god almighty. Only reason. My theory still holds, he's a mobile Rex Grossman with a s***tier arm. He gets attention for that, sure. But if he was just an average QB at Florida he wouldn't have gotten the attention solely because he loves him some Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 12:56 PM) Lol, another Christian conspiracy. I love it. And no, your opinion here is absolutely, 100% ridiculous. The Broncos made a franchise decision to play an untested guy after their season was lost over a career back-up who failed as a starter for Cleveland. The rest is history. Where did he mention Christian in there? Are you denying the fact that Tebow has a ridiculous following? (no matter what the reason is behind it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 01:56 PM) Lol, another Christian conspiracy. I love it. And no, your opinion here is absolutely, 100% ridiculous. The Broncos made a franchise decision to play an untested guy after their season was lost over a career back-up who failed as a starter for Cleveland. The rest is history. No one said a darn thing about it being a conspiracy. The Broncos made a very risky decision to jump their 3rd string QB ahead of their 2nd string QB because that QB was a first round pick...and that QB was a first round pick in no small part because of his dedicated folloiwng. There doesn't have to be some evil cabal for people to make moves based on money. The real genius here continues to be Fox, who realized he needed to completely scrap his passing game until he could give that QB enough reps in practice to be adequate. But frankly, I find it hard to believe that if Caleb Hanie came in and gave the Bears the same performance Tebow did in his first couple games, the Bears would have stuck with him, even if the team was winning games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 12:59 PM) He gets attention for that, sure. But if he was just an average QB at Florida he wouldn't have gotten the attention solely because he loves him some Jesus. College Football =! NFL football. There's a million guys who were the s*** in college and were just s*** in the NFL. Nobody denies that he was good in college Edit - And the fact that you seem to be denying that all the religious crap has anything to do with his popularity is hilarious Edited January 9, 2012 by Jenksy Cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 9, 2012 Author Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 01:01 PM) No one said a darn thing about it being a conspiracy. The Broncos made a very risky decision to jump their 3rd string QB ahead of their 2nd string QB because that QB was a first round pick...and that QB was a first round pick in no small part because of his dedicated folloiwng. There doesn't have to be some evil cabal for people to make moves based on money. The real genius here continues to be Fox, who realized he needed to completely scrap his passing game until he could give that QB enough reps in practice to be adequate. But frankly, I find it hard to believe that if Caleb Hanie came in and gave the Bears the same performance Tebow did in his first couple games, the Bears would have stuck with him, even if the team was winning games. Great sounding, except the Broncs had Kyle Orton, and not Jay Cutler as their starter. It also didn't hold water as Hanie got benched too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 02:02 PM) It also didn't hold water as Hanie got benched too. Exactly. Tebow would have gotten the same treatment had Fox continued throwing the ball or if he didn't have a crowd of people asking about him constantly in every press conference/radio show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 9, 2012 Author Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 01:03 PM) Exactly. Tebow would have gotten the same treatment had Fox continued throwing the ball or if he didn't have a crowd of people asking about him constantly in every press conference/radio show. So if the Broncos had put Tebow in a position to fail? Instead they put him in a position to utilize his abilities instead of trying to fit him into a square peghole. And trust me, there were plenty of people questioning Fox, even to this day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 02:06 PM) So if the Broncos had put Tebow in a position to fail? Instead they put him in a position to utilize his abilities instead of trying to fit him into a square peghole. And trust me, there were plenty of people questioning Fox, even to this day. It's still an open question though whether "Putting him in a position to utilize his abilities" also "puts the team in a position where it cannot win a super bowl". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 01:01 PM) No one said a darn thing about it being a conspiracy. The Broncos made a very risky decision to jump their 3rd string QB ahead of their 2nd string QB because that QB was a first round pick...and that QB was a first round pick in no small part because of his dedicated folloiwng. There doesn't have to be some evil cabal for people to make moves based on money. The real genius here continues to be Fox, who realized he needed to completely scrap his passing game until he could give that QB enough reps in practice to be adequate. But frankly, I find it hard to believe that if Caleb Hanie came in and gave the Bears the same performance Tebow did in his first couple games, the Bears would have stuck with him, even if the team was winning games. Hanie was forced into the role on a playoff contender because the starter got hurt. They really didn't have any other options. He probably played just as bad as Tebow if not worse. But if the Bears had won a few of those games, they would have stuck with him until Jay got healthy. The Broncos were going nowhere with a journeyman starting, so they gave their 1st round pick an opportunity. The team started winning games, so they stuck with him despite his struggles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 9, 2012 Author Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 01:07 PM) It's still an open question though whether "Putting him in a position to utilize his abilities" also "puts the team in a position where it cannot win a super bowl". They are one game away from the Super Bowl. Do you really think they get there with Kyle Orton or Brady Quinn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 01:10 PM) They are one game away from the Super Bowl. Do you really think they get their with Kyle Orton or Brady Quinn? Did Tebow's jesus powers get them a bye in the divisional round? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 01:00 PM) Where did he mention Christian in there? Are you denying the fact that Tebow has a ridiculous following? (no matter what the reason is behind it) The only reason he ever got a chance to start is because his fanbase loves him, not because of football, but because of religion. Tebow began starting for the Broncos not because of any skills he might have, but because his fanbase loves him for being Christian. That apparently is the ONLY reason he started to play. That's 100% ridiculous. There's a very logical reason he started to play - they sucked and the year was lost and they wanted to find out what they had. Edited January 9, 2012 by Jenksismybitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 02:10 PM) They are one game away from the Super Bowl. Do you really think they get there with Kyle Orton or Brady Quinn? I'd say the same thing that people said about the Bears when the Bears beat Seattle last year. Yes, they're 2 games away...but they still have to be able to beat teams that can score the ball. The Steelers offense was a mess, you saw that yourself. They next have to face a team that can score the ball, and then the winner of 2 teams that may well do the same thing the Broncos do except better. Hell, I'm not sure that the Patriots team can win the Super Bowl right now because they can't defend. If the Broncos can't complete those short-mid range passes for conversions like they failed to do yesterday, they will not be able to hang with a team that can score the ball...and there are a lot of those remaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 01:03 PM) Exactly. Tebow would have gotten the same treatment had Fox continued throwing the ball or if he didn't have a crowd of people asking about him constantly in every press conference/radio show. I'm not sure it is so much about religion, to be honest...I think a lot of it is more the "winner" that CBS and the SEC and the University of Florida and Urban Meyer created, and he just happens to be a super nice, well-spoken kid who loves Jesus and isn't shy about it. I think the Jesus/Chrisitianity thing took on a life of its' own over the last few months, but what got him drafted in the first round and what got him reps in practice and starts in games was the sheer fact that he is extremely athletically gifted and he's won games/championships at an extremely high rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 02:16 PM) they sucked and the year was lost and they wanted to find out what they had. So why did the #3 QB get the call over the #2 QB? There are still people in this thread who have written that they'd like to see what Brady Quinn has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 01:20 PM) Well, this thread is going down the drain. Filibuster. no s***. Move this "Tebow only starts because of his religion" nonsense to the buster if you guys want to do your old beat your heads against the wall bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 9, 2012 Author Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 01:19 PM) So why did the #3 QB get the call over the #2 QB? There are still people in this thread who have written that they'd like to see what Brady Quinn has. The Bears did it to Enderle when they signed a guy off of the street in Josh McCown, and immediately moved him ahead of Enderle on the depth chart.. And exactly that happened. And it wasn't because either one of them exposed religion loudly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 01:16 PM) Tebow began starting for the Broncos not because of any skills he might have, but because his fanbase loves him for being Christian. That apparently is the ONLY reason he started to play. That's 100% ridiculous. There's a very logical reason he started to play - they sucked and the year was lost and they wanted to find out what they had. The Broncos had 3 s***ty QBs. s***ty QB 1 failed, which left them with 2 options: s***ty QB 2 and s***ty QB 3 who also happens to have a massive following because he thanks jebus after winning football games. Which would you start? And if he was clearly their best option all along, why was he slotted as a 3rd stringer? Claiming that his religous cult following crap had NOTHING to do with him playing is what's ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 01:19 PM) So why did the #3 QB get the call over the #2 QB? There are still people in this thread who have written that they'd like to see what Brady Quinn has. Because Brady Quinn is bad at football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 01:24 PM) Because Brady Quinn is bad at football? And that fact was proven over 2-3 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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