Rowand44 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 I love you Barry Rozner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 25, 2012 Author Share Posted January 25, 2012 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Jan 25, 2012 -> 09:58 AM) Even if you agree with Rozner's sentiments, and dislike Cowley heavily, it probably still needs to be said that Rozner's article lacks meat. Not really loads of supporting evidence here for his claims. What exact supporting evidence do you need? When you have guys like Cowley reporting that Guillen continued to play Rios expressly because Kenny traded for him, instead of benching him for the good of the team, what more do you need? When Ozzie is screaming about an extension in the middle of a pennant race, what more do you need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 I don't think Sox fans truly realize just how much the players despised Ozzie last season. You are starting to hear it between the lines from guys like Peavy and Dunn, but trust me, it was there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 F*ck everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 As much as I love the tone of this article, I kinda agree that it would have been a lot more powerful with more specific examples of Ozzie quitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 25, 2012 -> 10:02 AM) What exact supporting evidence do you need? When you have guys like Cowley reporting that Guillen continued to play Rios expressly because Kenny traded for him, instead of benching him for the good of the team, what more do you need? When Ozzie is screaming about an extension in the middle of a pennant race, what more do you need? That's exactly my point though. Something like the Rios thing you mention -- If actually it had been in Rozner's article-- would have be great supporting evidence for Rozner to use. Rozner doesn't have stuff like that. In the article. I can't judge an article based on what's in other articles, buddy. Anyone can look at a bad team and write a piece that the manager quit. To be convinced, I would need both Rozner's passion and some evidence that he really knows the inner workings of the team. I don't see that here. Edited January 25, 2012 by Princess Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSoxFan Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Did anybody catch the Adam Dunn piece in the Sun-Times today? Now, I am the last person to ever defend... Adam Dunn... but he made some thinly-veiled references to Ozzie that were hardly complimentary. I'm glad this piece came out. I loved Ozzie too, for the reasons given in the article. But face it: for at least the past two years he's acted like a freakin idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 When Ozzie became more concerned with Twitter and his website, it was very apparent managing the Sox was no longer a priority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 The one puzzling point is that Buerhle followed Guillen to Miami. You would think that he wouldn't want to play for him. And then there was that moment caught on video at the end of the season. Remember during a late season interview with Guillen, when Buerhle was caught just off the interview camera, mubbling "shut up" in the dugout? I wonder why Mark didn't choose to go somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 QUOTE (Lillian @ Jan 25, 2012 -> 10:54 AM) The one puzzling point is that Buerhle followed Guillen to Miami. You would think that he wouldn't want to play for him. And then there was that moment caught on video at the end of the season. Remember during a late season interview with Guillen, when Buerhle was caught just off the interview camera, mubbling "shut up" in the dugout? I wonder why Mark didn't choose to go somewhere else. 4 years $56 million Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 25, 2012 Author Share Posted January 25, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 25, 2012 -> 10:56 AM) 4 years $56 million $58 million Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 25, 2012 -> 10:56 AM) 4 years $56 million Of course, but weren't there other pretty good offers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 QUOTE (Lillian @ Jan 25, 2012 -> 11:08 AM) Of course, but weren't there other pretty good offers? Nothing that close. I think most of the other ones were for 3 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 25, 2012 Author Share Posted January 25, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 25, 2012 -> 11:18 AM) Nothing that close. I think most of the other ones were for 3 years yeah, I don't remember seeing anything even reasonably close to Floridas years or dollars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 QUOTE (LVSoxFan @ Jan 25, 2012 -> 10:33 AM) Did anybody catch the Adam Dunn piece in the Sun-Times today? Now, I am the last person to ever defend... Adam Dunn... but he made some thinly-veiled references to Ozzie that were hardly complimentary. I'm glad this piece came out. I loved Ozzie too, for the reasons given in the article. But face it: for at least the past two years he's acted like a freakin idiot. Here's the article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 To the stable of idiot Ozzie supporters this will mean nothing since it wasn't written by Cowley though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Jan 25, 2012 -> 11:21 AM) To the stable of idiot Ozzie supporters this will mean nothing since it wasn't written by Cowley though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 When do we stop talking about this guy and just move on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 25, 2012 Author Share Posted January 25, 2012 QUOTE (flavum @ Jan 25, 2012 -> 11:37 AM) When do we stop talking about this guy and just move on? Probably when the people involved quit talking. Knowing Ozzie, probably never. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 25, 2012 -> 11:23 AM) I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks of pro wrestling any time i hear "stable" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Damn Rozner. Just took Ozzie to town. That was cold. But brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Rozner has always been my favorite columnist in town and this article states the truth! Well said, Barry! It will be nice not having a clown run this team anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jan 25, 2012 -> 08:26 AM) A long high-pitched wail was just heard coming from Kansas. Ha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 25, 2012 -> 09:08 AM) I would like to state that myself and Milkman were the first to post on this site, sometime around May 2011, that Ozzie was not trying to win anymore. We were called idiots for a month or two. QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 25, 2012 -> 09:14 AM) You guys were, are, and will continue to be called idiots for far larger reasons than that... QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 25, 2012 -> 09:15 AM) wait, why is this different from other months? QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 25, 2012 -> 09:19 AM) Even a blind squirrel.... Yeah yeah yeah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Jan 25, 2012 -> 11:21 AM) To the stable of idiot Ozzie supporters this will mean nothing since it wasn't written by Cowley though. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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