ChiSox_Sonix Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 04:45 PM) Actually my high school didn't have men's volleyball. There were a few of us guys that liked to play and we were pretty good. The volleyball coach said we could join and we almost did. She told us we'd have to wear the same uniforms at the girls though. I think generally there aren't many boys volleyball teams and if boys starting playing on those girls teams there would be outcries. Someone tried it a few years behind me in school and they were basically told not to try Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 04:43 PM) Right, the group that's usually the one discriminated against is the one you hear about. Or there is a double standard. But that's impossible to believe in this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuna Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Tell this kid you can't be competitive at 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 (edited) But that's rasslin', and we all know that doesn't take skill like basketball or baseball does. edit: that's pretty impressive, though! Edited January 31, 2012 by StrangeSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 03:38 PM) You should see cuts if necessary, not for the sake of it. If a kid isn't good enough, I agree with the first, question the latter . . . Good enough to receive instruction? Good enough to learn sportsmanship, hard work, and teamwork? Last year our turnout for 7th grade basketball was so high we put together a "D" team. Those kids had a blast. I was lucky enough to help out with a couple of their practices. For some of the kids, it was their very first time playing basketball. It was great to see how much they improved by the end of the season. We had close to 60 boys playing basketball last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwritecode Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 04:06 PM) I think generally there aren't many boys volleyball teams and if boys starting playing on those girls teams there would be outcries. Someone tried it a few years behind me in school and they were basically told not to try They way I always understood it was that if the school doesn't offer the sport for both boys and girls, either one can try out for the same team. That's why girls were always welcome to try out for football and guys for cheerleading. Not that any ever did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 03:34 PM) You are into the ages where real competition should be happening. OK. Do you really believe there is value in the competition for kids who are nine and ten years old? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (Tex @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 05:19 PM) I agree with the first, question the latter . . . Good enough to receive instruction? Good enough to learn sportsmanship, hard work, and teamwork? Last year our turnout for 7th grade basketball was so high we put together a "D" team. Those kids had a blast. I was lucky enough to help out with a couple of their practices. For some of the kids, it was their very first time playing basketball. It was great to see how much they improved by the end of the season. We had close to 60 boys playing basketball last year. That's different. If there are numbers and the school budget allows it then absolutely that is a great idea. Fact is however, that extra teams frequently can not fit into budgets or generate enough interest from kids and coaches. If kids want instruction you can create after school activities to provide it. Frankly, kids who have little to no experience in a sport should not be expected to be able to compete with kids who have worked hard to make themselves already good and/or are just gifted at it. What you did sounds like a perfect solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 05:21 PM) They way I always understood it was that if the school doesn't offer the sport for both boys and girls, either one can try out for the same team. That's why girls were always welcome to try out for football and guys for cheerleading. Not that any ever did. Legally yes. But that doesn't mean it is easy for people to do it. Several years ago one of the local field hockey teams had 2 boys on it who were among the better players in the region. Although they were allowed to play there were petitions and complaints to remove them because other teams felt it made for unfair competitive advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (Tex @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 05:22 PM) OK. Do you really believe there is value in the competition for kids who are nine and ten years old? Yes. Not cutthroat, but competition should start to be introduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuna Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (Tex @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 04:22 PM) OK. Do you really believe there is value in the competition for kids who are nine and ten years old? Kind of. I believe the foundation is being set, it's bigger than the game being played. It's about kids understanding they won't always win and when you do win, how to win graciously. They are starting to understand what being on a team means and trying hard to help their teammates succeed. In a perfect world of course... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 To be clear, I do think there should be winners and losers even at ages 6 and 7. Scores should be kept, albeit casually. I just don't think you start cutting players for a few years, and then only when necessary. As the kids eventually reach Jr High, where the teams play the best players to win, the rest tend to drop off on their own anyway. QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 03:51 PM) Get over your need to endlessly correct or criticize people for whatever reason you do it (I could only guess, to be honest). Seriously? You of all people telling others to get over something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I am assuming that most people here believe sports have a value and make a positive impact on people, especially on young people. There are so many great lessons that are learned when you participate in a sport. Why then would anyone advocate for limiting that experience? We should be in the business of promoting sports and working towards having more kids participate, not less. There isn't nearly as many lessons to learn in being cut as there are in being made part of a team and participating. The value of sports on a person's development should not be limited to being cut from a team when you are nine or ten years old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Is it really so bad to make specific sports guys or girls only? I understand that some may want to play even though they are a different gender, but guys playing field hockey could be completely unfair, as men and women are just built different physically. I couldn't imagine boys playing on our high school softball team, it would end up mostly just being guys playing with a few girls (probably mostly pitchers) left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 04:26 PM) That's different. If there are numbers and the school budget allows it then absolutely that is a great idea. Fact is however, that extra teams frequently can not fit into budgets or generate enough interest from kids and coaches. If kids want instruction you can create after school activities to provide it. Frankly, kids who have little to no experience in a sport should not be expected to be able to compete with kids who have worked hard to make themselves already good and/or are just gifted at it. What you did sounds like a perfect solution. Budgets are a concern. The uniforms were shared and we couldn't always get appropriate games for them. Our athletic coordinator "took one for the team (coaches)" and coached them himself, saving the school a coaches stipend. They only had one referee working their games. To save on travel time, they also played a shorter game. We do budget for football A and B teams and boys basketball A, B, and C teams. Girls volleyball also has a C team, but IIRC basketball stopped at a B team. Track is a zoo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 04:26 PM) That's different. If there are numbers and the school budget allows it then absolutely that is a great idea. Fact is however, that extra teams frequently can not fit into budgets or generate enough interest from kids and coaches. If kids want instruction you can create after school activities to provide it. Frankly, kids who have little to no experience in a sport should not be expected to be able to compete with kids who have worked hard to make themselves already good and/or are just gifted at it. What you did sounds like a perfect solution. There's been some efforts to study the impact of Title IX on both male and female sports opportunities. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/201...-title-ix_N.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (Tex @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 05:37 PM) Budgets are a concern. The uniforms were shared and we couldn't always get appropriate games for them. Our athletic coordinator "took one for the team (coaches)" and coached them himself, saving the school a coaches stipend. They only had one referee working their games. To save on travel time, they also played a shorter game. We do budget for football A and B teams and boys basketball A, B, and C teams. Girls volleyball also has a C team, but IIRC basketball stopped at a B team. Track is a zoo. The city and state's taxpayers should be embarrassed by what you just wrote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 04:41 PM) The city and state's taxpayers should be embarrassed by what you just wrote. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (Tex @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 05:46 PM) Why? Don't have enough money for coaches or for teams to actually give people who want to participate an option of actually doing so? Cutting events back to save money on travel time? That's just sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 04:47 PM) Don't have enough money for coaches or for teams to actually give people who want to participate an option of actually doing so? Cutting events back to save money on travel time? That's just sad. They would have been cut. There is no official league for a D team in our district. Our AQ hustled up games for these kids. Trying to twist this into a negative makes me laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 04:30 PM) To be clear, I do think there should be winners and losers even at ages 6 and 7. Scores should be kept, albeit casually. I just don't think you start cutting players for a few years, and then only when necessary. As the kids eventually reach Jr High, where the teams play the best players to win, the rest tend to drop off on their own anyway. Seriously? You of all people telling others to get over something? I'd appreciate a PM with you elaborate on the meaning of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 03:41 PM) Using slang terms for female genitalia as an insult is sexist. It has nothing to do with being omniscient or perfect. Then I'm sexist. I wish people would stop being such p*****s about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (Tex @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 04:37 PM) Budgets are a concern. The uniforms were shared and we couldn't always get appropriate games for them. Our athletic coordinator "took one for the team (coaches)" and coached them himself, saving the school a coaches stipend. They only had one referee working their games. To save on travel time, they also played a shorter game. We do budget for football A and B teams and boys basketball A, B, and C teams. Girls volleyball also has a C team, but IIRC basketball stopped at a B team. Track is a zoo. And all of that useless, extra work could have been avoided with a few simple words. You're cut because you aren't good enough. Go train on your own and try again next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 05:46 PM) And all of that useless, extra work could have been avoided with a few simple words. You're cut because you aren't good enough. Go train on your own and try again next year. It is only useless, extra work if you do not believe sports makes a positive influence on someone. If you believe participating in sports makes a positive impact on a young person, it isn't useless. Not even close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 QUOTE (Tex @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 06:27 PM) It is only useless, extra work if you do not believe sports makes a positive influence on someone. If you believe participating in sports makes a positive impact on a young person, it isn't useless. Not even close. That sounds like it's straight from an after-school special, or at least Lifetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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