NorthSideSox72 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 11:45 AM) The fact that things like this are even news just shows how big of p*****s we are anymore. LOL, the seagull posting in here is awesome. Let's see how you feel after you have kids. No one is saying they shouldn't keep score. They are saying that maybe 1st graders shouldn't have to worry yet about being cut from their f***ing little league team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 12:11 PM) LOL, the seagull posting in here is awesome. Let's see how you feel after you have kids. No one is saying they shouldn't keep score. They are saying that maybe 1st graders shouldn't have to worry yet about being cut from their f***ing little league team. You're right. They shouldn't have to worry about it. They likely aren't worried about it, but I'm sure their parents are... sitting on the bench and never playing is way worse than being cut and trying something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted January 31, 2012 Author Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 12:19 PM) You're right. They shouldn't have to worry about it. They likely aren't worried about it, but I'm sure their parents are... sitting on the bench and never playing is way worse than being cut and trying something else. That's true. But when we're talking about 1st and 2nd graders, no one should be sitting on the bench. Everyone at that age should have an opportunity to play. Once the kids get to jr high it's a different story. Teams will have bench players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 12:23 PM) That's true. But when we're talking about 1st and 2nd graders, no one should be sitting on the bench. Everyone at that age should have an opportunity to play. Once the kids get to jr high it's a different story. Teams will have bench players. And that's the way it usually is. At those first levels of play, everyone gets more or less equal time. As they get older, it starts to change. It is a gradual process (usually), as it should be. Besides, the players who are the best in 1st and 2nd grade are often not the ones who end up star players later. I've coached and umped litte league, and I've played of course, and seen all this myself. So even if you feel this is somehow lame in terms of worrying about kids, well, even if you want the best players, it only makes sense to spend a few years seeing how they shake out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 11:09 AM) Right, I don't have a problem with any of this. I'm referring more to the comments about not keeping score until the kids reach high school. Kids are graded throughout school on EVERYTHING. Why should athletics be any different? Athletics aren't required. Education is required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 11:14 AM) Kids aren't cut from school and parents generally don't get into fist fights over 2nd grade math tests. Don't bet on that. I know of teachers literally assaulted for less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 11:30 AM) It's not like the s***ty kids aren't very aware that they suck...it's just as embarrassing to suck ass and still be on the team as it is to be cut or redeployed into a weaker league. It's an unavoidable fact of life, and sheltering kids from it until 12 years old only makes it more difficult for them to adjust later in life. No it doesn't. The skills you are getting from sports at 6 or 7 aren't the same as even 10 or 11. They are supposed to be learning basic competition, but also teamwork, and getting away from individualism. They are also learning the basics of a particular sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 12:28 PM) And that's the way it usually is. At those first levels of play, everyone gets more or less equal time. As they get older, it starts to change. It is a gradual process (usually), as it should be. Besides, the players who are the best in 1st and 2nd grade are often not the ones who end up star players later. I've coached and umped litte league, and I've played of course, and seen all this myself. So even if you feel this is somehow lame in terms of worrying about kids, well, even if you want the best players, it only makes sense to spend a few years seeing how they shake out. 100% this. Having actually coached and officiated at these levels 4/5/6/7/8 year olds it isn't the same as even 10/11 year olds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 06:31 PM) No it doesn't. The skills you are getting from sports at 6 or 7 aren't the same as even 10 or 11. They are supposed to be learning basic competition, but also teamwork, and getting away from individualism. They are also learning the basics of a particular sport. Seriously. Kid sports at 6 or 7 are mostly chaos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted January 31, 2012 Author Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 12:36 PM) Seriously. Kid sports at 6 or 7 are mostly chaos. Very true. Coaching a 6U baseball team is chaos. Watching a 6U baseball game is like watching paint dry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Americans are "p*****s" because the hyper-competition seen in kids' sports is correctly recognized as inadequate adults with failed dreams and failed lives living vicariously through their children and that this often comes at the expense of the children themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 12:38 PM) Very true. Coaching a 6U baseball team is chaos. Watching a 6U baseball game is like watching paint dry. I once watched a hockey "game" with 5 and 6 year olds playing. It was like brownian motion, but reeeeeeeeeealllllyyyyyyy slow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 12:36 PM) Seriously. Kid sports at 6 or 7 are mostly chaos. Bernstein was commenting on his son's b-ball game the other day. The final score of a 40 minute game was something like 6-10. But we need to focus on the "competition" at this age, otherwise we're p*****s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Baseball is the one sport where I think girls and boys should all be able to play it together. Especially at that age. Some of the best players on my little league team were girls and one is one of my best friends (not at the time) She could have played in Jr. High easy if there wasn't a stigma that had her play softball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwritecode Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 My daughter started playing softball around age 7. It was her first year playing so she completely missed the t-ball level. In t-ball the boys and girls all play together on the same teams. At the next level, they split up. Boys play baseball and girls play softball. It continues that way pretty much through high school and college. I did read the article and think it's a pretty lousy thing to do if they aren't going to offer softball for the girls to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted January 31, 2012 Author Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 12:39 PM) Americans are "p*****s" because the hyper-competition seen in kids' sports is correctly recognized as inadequate adults with failed dreams and failed lives living vicariously through their children and that this often comes at the expense of the children themselves. You have to wonder how many kids with true talent end up quitting the game because they were pushed too hard by their parents or coaches. I encourage my kids to play as many sports and be involved in as many activities as they want. And, sure, I want them to succeed. But it's more important that they enjoy it. My son played hockey for a few years and was pretty good. But he decided he didn't want to play anymore. That was fine with me, because it costs a s***load of money, and I didn't want him doing something he didn't enjoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 12:39 PM) Americans are "p*****s" because the hyper-competition seen in kids' sports is correctly recognized as inadequate adults with failed dreams and failed lives living vicariously through their children and that this often comes at the expense of the children themselves. Or people who are convinced they can turn out the next Tiger Woods... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 For whatever reason baseball draws this type of scrutiny. Every kid plays baseball. Unfortunately the numbers, 9 per team cause some gaps. You can get by with a soccer team of 18 kids or basketball with 15. It is not easy but it can be done. In baseball though it does not work as a kid may not bat in game as there are limited opportunities for hitters and fielding time. Youth teams really need to be 12 to 15 kids tops. What happens if 17 kids want to play. You can't have two teams because inevitably grandma's 71st birthday will cause a kid to miss. Parents also think their kid is the best, let's go pay $2,000 to play travel baseball. Over 50% of all travel baseball teams are considered below average. This is killing recreational leagues and making certain folks a nice little side pocket of money. Johnny joins a travel baseball team. Johnny's family travels to watch 90 games all summer long. Johnny's team sucks but Johnny goes because mom and dad paid $2,000 and the housewives need some place to get their sun and talk about their overbearing husbands. Johnny finishes the year hates baseball and spends the next summer playing Call of Duty and never plays baseball again...Johnny is 11 years old. I coach a travel baseball team and a recreational team. I have a son that plays recreationally and loves it and another that plays travel and is ok with it. He plays travel as it is more competitive and they are a good team. I see way too many teams that suck spending a whole lot of dough while their neighborhood league is done at the age of 9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 01:45 PM) Baseball is the one sport where I think girls and boys should all be able to play it together. Especially at that age. Some of the best players on my little league team were girls and one is one of my best friends (not at the time) She could have played in Jr. High easy if there wasn't a stigma that had her play softball. Only if the boys are allowed to play on the local softball teams as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Start a thread about girls wrestling with boys. This is no joke. There are a good numbers of girls wrestling in boys youth clubs. I find this creepy, wrong and borderline illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 01:15 PM) Only if the boys are allowed to play on the local softball teams as well Yes. And get rid of the distinction at higher levels, just let them play together. QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 01:20 PM) Start a thread about girls wrestling with boys. This is no joke. There are a good numbers of girls wrestling in boys youth clubs. I find this creepy, wrong and borderline illegal. We had a girl on our high school wrestling team. She wrestled in the 110-pound weight class and won more than she lost. She was also fairly attractive. A few times in matches her opponent got a little “excited.” After one such incident, the opposing coach came over to apologize to our coach for his wrestler getting a chub. My coach responded: “Hey, I understand. As long as you don’t get one, we don’t have a problem.” http://www.sportspickle.com/opinion/9580/f...-coach-issue-15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 01:29 PM) We had a girl on our high school wrestling team. She wrestled in the 110-pound weight class and won more than she lost. She was also fairly attractive. A few times in matches her opponent got a little “excited.” After one such incident, the opposing coach came over to apologize to our coach for his wrestler getting a chub. My coach responded: “Hey, I understand. As long as you don’t get one, we don’t have a problem.” http://www.sportspickle.com/opinion/9580/f...-coach-issue-15 LOL, well played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 12:11 PM) LOL, the seagull posting in here is awesome. Let's see how you feel after you have kids. No one is saying they shouldn't keep score. They are saying that maybe 1st graders shouldn't have to worry yet about being cut from their f***ing little league team. Someone start a girls league, then people won't b**** when a girl is cut from a boy league. And seriously, buy the kid a f***ing sundae and she won't even care anymore. It's the parents that are b****es. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 12:31 PM) No it doesn't. The skills you are getting from sports at 6 or 7 aren't the same as even 10 or 11. They are supposed to be learning basic competition, but also teamwork, and getting away from individualism. They are also learning the basics of a particular sport. I confess I was referring to kids older than that in the subject of this article....I was more responding to Tex's comments than the article in question...at 6-10 or so, I agree kids need to engage athletics as much for pure exercise as for any sportsmanship or learning experience. But once you start talking about 6th grade and up, you need to start introducing real competition, and part of what comes along with that is the idea that some kids are more talented than others, someone always loses, and sometimes you just have to sit back and let the more important people do their thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 31, 2012 -> 12:11 PM) LOL, the seagull posting in here is awesome. Let's see how you feel after you have kids. No one is saying they shouldn't keep score. They are saying that maybe 1st graders shouldn't have to worry yet about being cut from their f***ing little league team. So now that you have kids, and some others do not, that immediately qualifies you to be like the youth sports overlord? Or is it because you umpired when you were in HS? Who do you think you are that you can determine who gets to have an opinion on something and whose commentary is worthy of posting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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