Official 2012-2013 NCAA Football Thread

[iamshack]

My point was more that on the anniversary of their first "date," they presumably went on an actual date, which would be more likely to occur on a non-football Saturday. That, and the meeting with her that he spoke of at the USC game the year before (in November 2010) makes at least two in person contacts he's acknowledged on the record. He said they were acquaintenaces then friends before that (for a total of four years), which could suggest more meetings. However, Swarbrick said yesterday that their relationship was excludively an on-line one, so somebody is lying or seriously mistaken.

They're all making it up as they go, and have been for quite some time.

[Soxbadger]

My point was more that on the anniversary of their first "date," they presumably went on an actual date, which would be more likely to occur on a non-football Saturday. That, and the meeting with her that he spoke of at the USC game the year before (in November 2010) makes at least two in person contacts he's acknowledged on the record. He said they were acquaintenaces then friends before that (for a total of four years), which could suggest more meetings. However, Swarbrick said yesterday that their relationship was excludively an on-line one, so somebody is lying or seriously mistaken.

 

What quotes do you read as conclusively stating he met her?

 

When I read the thamel quotes, it seemed to be clear that Te'o was implying he met her, but going out of his way to never specifically refer to an actual meeting or what they actually did together.

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-f...nd-hoax-quotes/

 

SI: How did you meet her?

 

TE'O: We met just, ummmm, just she knew my cousin. And kind of saw me there so. Just kind of regular.

 

Notice he has no specific details for any meeting. She saw "him".

 

And here is another odd part of the transcript:

 

SI: What did she study?

 

TE'O: She graduated in 2011 or 2010. 2011.

 

SI: What was her major?

 

TE'O: Her major was in English and something. I'll double check.

 

SI: I can call Stanford and check. They have to have some record or note that she passed.

 

SI: So long distance relationship?

 

TE'O: She was supposed to come [to visit me at Notre Dame]. She was just cleared to come to the Wake Forest game, my senior game. It was mainly just on the phone, every day.

 

Notice Te'o didnt freak or even say anything when Thamel said hed look into it. And then the most specific information about him meeting her, was the Wake Forest game. And look at the timing "She was just cleared" meaning that as soon as ND said she could come, she dies so she cant come.

Edited January 17, 2013 by Soxbadger

[Jake]

My point was more that on the anniversary of their first "date," they presumably went on an actual date, which would be more likely to occur on a non-football Saturday. That, and the meeting with her that he spoke of at the USC game the year before (in November 2010) makes at least two in person contacts he's acknowledged on the record. He said they were acquaintenaces then friends before that (for a total of four years), which could suggest more meetings. However, Swarbrick said yesterday that their relationship was excludively an on-line one, so somebody is lying or seriously mistaken.

 

He just said that she saw him at the game.

 

He probably hoped you would think they met up at that game, but all he said was she saw him. She probably direct messaged him on Twitter after that.

[Soxbadger]

He just said that she saw him at the game.

 

He probably hoped you would think they met up at that game, but all he said was she saw him. She probably direct messaged him on Twitter after that.

 

Yeah, when I read the actual quotes of the transcript, I can not find 1 statement where he conclusively states that he actually met her or even saw her with his own eyes.

 

 

[clyons]

When I read the thamel quotes, it seemed to be clear that Te'o was implying he met her, but going out of his way to never specifically refer to an actual meeting or what they actually did together.

 

 

 

Yes, but it was clearly a false implication. An indirect lie, but a lie nevertheless. That's all that matters. I know its your thing to be contrarian, but whether he's a "victim" or not, he's still clearly a liar, which is the only thing those of us you seem to be challenging are really saying.

[kev211]

Yes, but it was clearly a false implication. An indirect lie, but a lie nevertheless. That's all that matters. I know its your thing to be contrarian, but whether he's a "victim" or not, he's still clearly a liar, which is the only thing those of us you seem to be challenging are really saying.

Or was he afraid of the backlash that would come if he told the media that oh I never met her we just talked on the phone and online? And then the media kept going with it and at that point he was in too deep to say, wait this went too far I never met her.

 

I think the media went to manti at first and in the interview with the SI writer manti never once said he met her, because he wasn't asked. Once it comes about then you have to say you've met her and make up a story how so as not to look like a loser who only knew his GF online.

[Soxbadger]

He had no problem letting massive lies about their relationship be spread throughout the media then

 

The part in bold should be true regardless of how this plays out. At some point Te'o knew that the media was presenting an embellished story about his relationship.

 

 

Yes, but it was clearly a false implication. An indirect lie, but a lie nevertheless. That's all that matters. I know its your thing to be contrarian, but whether he's a "victim" or not, he's still clearly a liar, which is the only thing those of us you seem to be challenging are really saying.

 

 

Im not challenging that. You made a statement "That, and the meeting with her that he spoke of at the USC game the year before (in November 2010) makes at least two in person contacts he's acknowledged on the record." That I dont necessarily agree with.

 

I think that someone could have jumped to the conclusion he had actually met her, but when you read the actual transcript he never actually said it. I know Thamel is a journalist, but a lot of his questions did not have a good follow up that would have shed light into the situation.

 

What Im saying is that I dont know when Te'o began to lie. I think most can agree after December 6 he had to be lying. Its just a question of when he was being interviewed by Thamel, was he telling the truth but trying to avoid admitting to an online relationship, or was he completely fabricating.

 

To me those are 2 different scenarios.

 

And Im not a contrarian by choice. Sometimes I am surprised when I am in the minority.

[whitesoxfan99]

I think the media went to manti at first and in the interview with the SI writer manti never once said he met her, because he wasn't asked. Once it comes about then you have to say you've met her and make up a story how so as not to look like a loser who only knew his GF online.

 

The SI writer expressly asked Teo how he met her.

[RockRaines]

Badger you just love to argue. I envision you hitting post and saying to yourself, "boom, lawyered"

[Quin]

Badger you just love to argue. I envision you hitting post and saying to yourself, "boom, lawyered"

[RockRaines]

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jpmoore/the-11-fis...tember?s=mobile

[iamshack]

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jpmoore/the-11-fis...tember?s=mobile

Hah, just ridiculous...my favorite is the story about the doctor...

[Soxbadger]

Badger you just love to argue. I envision you hitting post and saying to yourself, "boom, lawyered"

 

I dont really like to argue. I just dont like people getting railroaded. Many of the most important issues to me I wont even discuss on the internet because I dont want to get involved in the year long argument that will ensue.

 

My preference is that I make a point, people agree, and then I get to leave.

[Chicago White Sox]

I don't see how anyone could honestly think he was just catfished. Even if he was somehow duped originally, he's been lying about it for a long ass time.

 

I'm going with the Manti is gay theory, that the online girlfriend was used for cover from teammates, but it was actually his boyfriend all along (we already know Tuiasosopo was running the twitter acount). Then something happened to their relationship and for some reason they or Tuiasosopo decided to kill the online persona off. Now Manti is committed to this lie or risk being outed prior to the NFL draft.

 

There is at least some logic to this theory. I can't even begin to comprehend why he wouldn't have come out with the truth already if he was simply catfished by Tuiasosopo or some people.

[SOXOBAMA]

I don't believe anything that comes out of Te'o mouth about this issue. He's a loser

[kev211]

The SI writer expressly asked Teo how he met her.

And he went out of his way to avoid that as saying it was online would have been embarrassing the SI writer even said he didn't ask him more about it because he figured it was online.

 

 

What I meant in my original post was that he avoided it at first like in the SI interview but then probably eventually realized he'd need to make stuff up to not look like he only knew the girl online and had never met her.

Edited January 18, 2013 by kev211

[Balta1701]

Ronaiah Tuiasosopo, the man who has been publicly identified as being behind the Manti Te'o girlfriend hoax, called a church friend in early December crying and admitted to duping the Heisman finalist, the friend told Outside the Lines Thursday.

 

The friend, a woman in her mid-20s, agreed to be interviewed under the condition that she not be identified, saying she was fearful for her family's safety because of the overwhelming publicity the story has generated. In the interview, she did allow for her voice to be recorded.

 

She says Tuiasosopo gave her the tearful confession and account of how he played, what he said was at first a game, on the unsuspecting Te'o. And, she says, he told her that it wasn't the first time he had done it.

 

"He (Ronaiah) told me that Manti was not involved at all, he was a victim. ... The girlfriend was a lie, the accident was a lie, the leukemia was a lie," said the woman. "He was crying, he was literally crying, he's like 'I know, I know what I have to do.'

 

"It's not only Manti, but he was telling me that it's a lot of other people they had done this to."

The next chapter

[Kyyle23]

The next chapter

 

Te'o camp telling Ronaiah to fall on the sword in order to save Te'o.

[Buehrle>Wood]

Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what that sounds like.

[SOXOBAMA]

even if he was originally duped, he went on and embellished the story. What about the statements he made about traveling to Hawaii with her to meet his family? What about his story about how they met in person in Palo Alto? And how did he speak with her family members, mix up when her funeral actually was, and how could he not visit her in the hospital considering he loved her so much. How can one group of people play this girl's parents, sister, and invest the time of talking to him every night "till he went to sleep."

 

Sorry, even if others put him up on this, he did more than his part to embellish their relationship and sing his sob story to the media.

[RockRaines]

I don't believe anything that comes out of Te'o mouth about this issue. He's a loser

He "found out" Dec 6th yet spoke about it several times afterwards while still pulling the emotional bulls*** for the media. He's a liar. There is no way he was duped or he wouldnt have continued to keep it up well into 2013.

[Soxbadger]

I really think its Tuiasosopo's father. If you go to his church website, http://mountzionsite.com/special_event_pho...2/dsc_0026.html youll notice some odd things:

 

SPORTS VIDEOS, SPORTS PAGE, RELIGIOUS TALENT VIDEOS

 

These guys were trying to use their religious access to Samoans to get them to hire them as agents, etc.

 

Look at the father's comment today:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-01...page-manti-te-o

 

(Edit)

 

This was in response to Balta's post where it says Te'o want the first. The others I guarantee were Samoan's like the AZ Cardinals player, in an attempt to get money, access, whatever.

Edited January 18, 2013 by Soxbadger

[RockRaines]

I really think its Tuiasosopo's father. If you go to his church website, http://mountzionsite.com/special_event_pho...2/dsc_0026.html youll notice some odd things:

 

SPORTS VIDEOS, SPORTS PAGE, RELIGIOUS TALENT VIDEOS

 

These guys were trying to use their religious access to Samoans to get them to hire them as agents, etc.

 

Look at the father's comment today:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-01...page-manti-te-o

 

(Edit)

 

This was in response to Balta's post where it says Te'o want the first. The others I guarantee were Samoan's like the AZ Cardinals player, in an attempt to get money, access, whatever.

But they already had access, they were family friends before the GF hoax.

[Dick Allen]

Why did Te'o tell reporters before the Heisman Trophy presentation on December 8 that he "lost both my grandparents and my girlfriend to cancer," when two days earlier the woman he thought was dead called him on his cellphone?

 

[DrunkBomber]

Even if that were true, which I dont believe, there is no circumstance where he is completely innocent. It is still absurdly pathetic how much sympathy he tried to milk out of this from the media and the extremes he went to when he was lying about it before he was caught.

 

If this was an elaborate hoax then the amount of time that went into it is so ridiculous that its almost unfeasible to believe. I just dont understand how that after Teo was made aware this was a prank and ND allegedly investigated it that they couldnt get more information about what happened. Could they not trace the numerous cell phone numbers Teo was calling? Such as the girlfriends and her brothers and family. What was the dads motivation to lie about her coming to Hawaii? Then the most obvious red flag, the fact that the interviewer from SI went out of his way to clarify that she had an ipad and the fact that never once in the entire time they were dating or knew each other that he never tried to skype or facetime with her.

 

Not to mention little absurdities like not going to visit if the girl you love is on life support and theyre going to "pull the plug." SOME of this stuff can be refuted with the excuse of Teo being quite possibly the biggest idiot in the world, but theres just way too much there for him to be completely innocent. Theres just no way.