Official 2012-2013 NCAA Football Thread

[Soxbadger]

But they already had access, they were family friends before the GF hoax.

 

But after the hoax, Te'o considered him "his family" and he was calling them every week to check on them. They were reading him letters from his dead GF.

 

When it looks like a scam, smells like a scam, I call it a scam. It may not be, Te'o may have been involved. But I just dont think he is smart enough. I dont think he has what it takes.

 

Well see, but Ive been involved in a lot of "pranks". I cant name 1 prank where I could find someone who would have been willing to stay up hours on the phone just for the fun of it. They would have had to be paid and that means there was some monetary motive.

 

The worst part is, the answers can be found pretty easily. You can get phone records, you can find out if Te'o was really talking to someone. If he wasnt, hes guilty as sin. If he was talking, lets find out when those conversations started, stopped, etc.

 

 

[Soxbadger]

Why did Te'o tell reporters before the Heisman Trophy presentation on December 8 that he "lost both my grandparents and my girlfriend to cancer," when two days earlier the woman he thought was dead called him on his cellphone?

 

Why?

 

Because if he truly was conned, you just lie until the cows come home because you never want to admit that you were the dumbass who sent $50,000 to the beautiful model in Kenya so that she would come marry you in the US.

 

Its just way easier to stick with, she is dead.

 

There is an explanation for everything. I just havent heard a great motive for Te'o to do this from the start. There were plenty of other ways to get publicity, and trying to predict the "double death" would have been to speculative to really be a great plan.

[bmags]

So how come when Te'O is fitting the exact same behaviors you describe, you continue to just act like it was others who were the conmen.

[Soxbadger]

So how come when Te'O is fitting the exact same behaviors you describe, you continue to just act like it was others who were the conmen.

 

What was his motive?

 

To be the Johnny Fairplay of NCAA?

 

Someone would have to correct me if Im wrong, but he starts mentioning this girl before he was a Heisman candidate right? He didnt just mention her and then kill her off. From my understanding hed been talking about her to teammates etc for quite a while.

 

I just dont think Te'o is smart enough or dedicated enough to run such a long con.

 

I think a Pastor is.

 

I could be wrong, but my instincts are telling me that Te'o was duped. (Now Ive also said Te'o at some point keeps the lie up, but that is something different.)

[witesoxfan]

But after the hoax, Te'o considered him "his family" and he was calling them every week to check on them. They were reading him letters from his dead GF.

 

When it looks like a scam, smells like a scam, I call it a scam. It may not be, Te'o may have been involved. But I just dont think he is smart enough. I dont think he has what it takes.

 

Well see, but Ive been involved in a lot of "pranks". I cant name 1 prank where I could find someone who would have been willing to stay up hours on the phone just for the fun of it. They would have had to be paid and that means there was some monetary motive.

 

The worst part is, the answers can be found pretty easily. You can get phone records, you can find out if Te'o was really talking to someone. If he wasnt, hes guilty as sin. If he was talking, lets find out when those conversations started, stopped, etc.

 

Were his phone records ever pulled out to prove this? Because I can say I stayed up and talked to a friend for 6 hours last night and adamently and vehemently defend it in the public eye, but it's not true.

 

What person, let alone star football player, has 8 hours where they can talk?

 

And for some reason, you seem to fail to acknowledge the fact that he knew Ronaiah Tuiasosopo BEFORE this all went down. That's a little fishy too, isn't it?

[Soxbadger]

This article http://deadspin.com/5976762/manti-teos-tea...ut-lennay-kekua talks about his teammates.

 

http://deadspin.com/5976762/manti-teos-tea...ut-lennay-kekua

 

"That player believes Te'o initially fell for a hoax, but carried on with it for the publicity even after he discovered the truth."

 

I think that it could be true, Te'o tried to use the hoax on him, to get better publicity. I just dont think Te'o created this from the start, that is my main point.

[RockRaines]

Why?

 

Because if he truly was conned, you just lie until the cows come home because you never want to admit that you were the dumbass who sent $50,000 to the beautiful model in Kenya so that she would come marry you in the US.

 

Its just way easier to stick with, she is dead.

 

There is an explanation for everything. I just havent heard a great motive for Te'o to do this from the start. There were plenty of other ways to get publicity, and trying to predict the "double death" would have been to speculative to really be a great plan.

If you are duped or conned you don't expand the lie, you minimize it. He GREW the story even after he "found out". That's not being a victim. There is no arguing that.

[witesoxfan]

What was his motive?

 

To be the Johnny Fairplay of NCAA?

 

Someone would have to correct me if Im wrong, but he starts mentioning this girl before he was a Heisman candidate right? He didnt just mention her and then kill her off. From my understanding hed been talking about her to teammates etc for quite a while.

 

I just dont think Te'o is smart enough or dedicated enough to run such a long con.

 

I think a Pastor is.

 

I could be wrong, but my instincts are telling me that Te'o was duped. (Now Ive also said Te'o at some point keeps the lie up, but that is something different.)

 

He mentions this girl all the way back to sophomore year. How do you talk to a girl online, never see her, never meet her, and fall in love with her when you've known each other for 3-4 years?

 

I still think he is gay.

[Soxbadger]

Were his phone records ever pulled out to prove this? Because I can say I stayed up and talked to a friend for 6 hours last night and adamently and vehemently defend it in the public eye, but it's not true.

 

What person, let alone star football player, has 8 hours where they can talk?

 

And for some reason, you seem to fail to acknowledge the fact that he knew Ronaiah Tuiasosopo BEFORE this all went down. That's a little fishy too, isn't it?

 

Thats why I said that someone should pull his phone records. The problem is that this is not a criminal investigation, therefore I dont believe Deadspin, etc can get his records. They shouldnt be available under a FOIA (Freedom of information of act request).

 

The part in bold (to me) isnt relevant. The only way Ronaiah Tuiasosopo was able to try and pull this con, was that he already knew Te'o. If they had no familiarity, Te'o wouldnt have trusted him about this girl. That is why the church/pastor con is so potent. People have a certain implicit trust of them, because they are "men of god".

 

Look, Te'o could be behind it all. Im just saying with the limited information available, my conclusion is that it was a scam by Tui's father.

 

I could be right, I could be wrong. Well find out.

[Balta1701]

This was in response to Balta's post where it says Te'o want the first. The others I guarantee were Samoan's like the AZ Cardinals player, in an attempt to get money, access, whatever.

Huh?

[witesoxfan]

Thats why I said that someone should pull his phone records. The problem is that this is not a criminal investigation, therefore I dont believe Deadspin, etc can get his records. They shouldnt be available under a FOIA (Freedom of information of act request).

 

The part in bold (to me) isnt relevant. The only way Ronaiah Tuiasosopo was able to try and pull this con, was that he already knew Te'o. If they had no familiarity, Te'o wouldnt have trusted him about this girl. That is why the church/pastor con is so potent. People have a certain implicit trust of them, because they are "men of god".

 

Look, Te'o could be behind it all. Im just saying with the limited information available, my conclusion is that it was a scam by Tui's father.

 

I could be right, I could be wrong. Well find out.

 

If they were dating but trying to keep their relationship a secret, you somehow find that irrelevant?

[RockRaines]

If you find out you are being conned why do you specifically talk about your fake girlfriend to the media 4 additional times? Their cover up is so blatant right now it's insulting.

[StrangeSox]

If you're asked about it, you're going to have to bulls*** something.

[bmags]

If you're asked about it, you're going to have to bulls*** something.

 

You could deflect. He clearly loved the attention of it. Why not focus on your dead grandma instead? She was real i think.

[RockRaines]

If you're asked about it, you're going to have to bulls*** something.

He brought it up himself in at least one instance. And also embellished.

 

"The Associated Press turned up two more instances during that gap between Dec. 6 and Dec. 26, the date when Te'o told Notre Dame that he knew of the hoax, when the football star mentioned Kekua in public.

 

During another interview at the Heisman ceremony that ran on WSBT.com, the website for a South Bend TV station, Te'o said: "I mean, I don't like cancer at all. I lost both my grandparents and my girlfriend to cancer. So I've really tried to go to children's hospitals and see, you know, children."

 

In a column that first ran in The Los Angeles Times, on Dec. 10, Te'o recounted why he played a few days after he found out Kekua died in September, and the day she was supposedly buried.

 

"She made me promise, when it happened, that I would stay and play," he said Dec. 9 while attending a ceremony in Newport Beach, Calif., for the Lott Impact Awards."

 

http://espn.go.com/college-foo...nd-knowing-hoax

[RockRaines]

Te'O knew her for four years – Started Dating Oct 15, 2011.

Never visited her……

 

SI story – Pete Thamel -1/17/2013

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c...2&eref=sihp

 

Kekua’s Injuries and Medical Conditions – 148 DAYS

April 28th 2012 “Car Accident” – September 22nd ”Dead” – 148 DAYS

 

1) Car accident - Trauma – April 28th

2) Pain in her back

3) Leukemia

4) Coma

5) Flat lined Twice – Revived Her Twice – “Trippy Situation”

6) Could not communicate – she could only Breathe

7) “When she heard my voice her breathing would pick up …Like quickly and then started crying”

8) Memory Problems

9) Back is sore again

10) Chest is burning

11) Dead

12) Closed Casket – 9:00 AM – Carson, CA September 23rd

 

Do we really think the breathing and stuff actually happened or is he lying and embellishing?

[Soxfest]

Te'o is either the dumbest man alive or a media whore!

[Quin]

Dude kept bringing her up after "finding out" that she wasn't real.

 

Seriously, just give it up.

[Soxbadger]

If they were dating but trying to keep their relationship a secret, you somehow find that irrelevant?

 

I think the gay cover up is the 2nd most plausible explanation. That being said, I think that the fact they were friends supports both arguments (con or cover-up) which is why its not relevant to which of those is more plausible. In both scenarios I would expect Te'o to be friends with the person.

 

 

He brought it up himself in at least one instance. And also embellished.

 

I think that its pretty clear Te'o did tell a few tall tales. Whether he was doing it to try and cover up that he had been conned, or whether he was doing it to try and get more attention, that is the question.

 

Im pretty confident that there are many times Te'o implied something that did not happen. Whether he blatantly lied or was just embellishing is a matter of opinion, but I do not think there is any way you can break down the transcripts and come away thinking that Te'o was 100% honest. He was definitely letting people jump to conclusions, even when he knew they were false.

[Jake]

I'm no saint, but if someone fooled me into a media frenzy, I'm just gonna roll with it.

 

Do you think it'd be a little fishy if he just talked about dead grandma and didn't mention the other famous death he experienced on the same day for the same reason? If he was duped this behavior would be necessary. You don't want anyone to know you're that stupid nor do you want them to speculate the way we're doing now.

[Rex Hudler]

If you find out you are being conned why do you specifically talk about your fake girlfriend to the media 4 additional times? Their cover up is so blatant right now it's insulting.

 

Rock, I think I understand. Did T'eo ever bring this up to the media or just answer questions when asked? If that's the case, he either had to go along with it or admit he was a dumb ass. Perhaps he could have replied something to the effect "let's just say it has been a very tough year and I'd prefer to talk about football and the upcoming game at this point"? But how many young people are media savvy enough to come up with that? I think once the story was out and he found out he was duped, he felt he had to go along.

 

Has he done any in-depth interviews on the subject between the time he found out and now? Could he have been playing along in hopes to more easily find out what happened? Or was this an asked and answered type situation and he didn't know what else to say? My guess is he wasn't walking up to reporters on media day and saying "Hey, interview me, I'd like to talk about the dead people in my life".

 

I don't have the answers, but I can certainly understand the why to your question.

[witesoxfan]

Rock, I think I understand. Did T'eo ever bring this up to the media or just answer questions when asked? If that's the case, he either had to go along with it or admit he was a dumb ass. Perhaps he could have replied something to the effect "let's just say it has been a very tough year and I'd prefer to talk about football and the upcoming game at this point"? But how many young people are media savvy enough to come up with that? I think once the story was out and he found out he was duped, he felt he had to go along.

 

Has he done any in-depth interviews on the subject between the time he found out and now? Could he have been playing along in hopes to more easily find out what happened? Or was this an asked and answered type situation and he didn't know what else to say? My guess is he wasn't walking up to reporters on media day and saying "Hey, interview me, I'd like to talk about the dead people in my life".

 

I don't have the answers, but I can certainly understand the why to your question.

 

Not sure why he wouldn't, I use that as an icebreaker at parties. Works like 10% of the time

[iamshack]

Rock, I think I understand. Did T'eo ever bring this up to the media or just answer questions when asked? If that's the case, he either had to go along with it or admit he was a dumb ass. Perhaps he could have replied something to the effect "let's just say it has been a very tough year and I'd prefer to talk about football and the upcoming game at this point"? But how many young people are media savvy enough to come up with that? I think once the story was out and he found out he was duped, he felt he had to go along.

 

Has he done any in-depth interviews on the subject between the time he found out and now? Could he have been playing along in hopes to more easily find out what happened? Or was this an asked and answered type situation and he didn't know what else to say? My guess is he wasn't walking up to reporters on media day and saying "Hey, interview me, I'd like to talk about the dead people in my life".

 

I don't have the answers, but I can certainly understand the why to your question.

Right, but when you start building on the media attention by telling taller and taller tales, you are clearly adding to the frenzy...it isn't as though they were dragging info out of him...he was just making up more and more ridiculous details with each interview.

[RockRaines]

Well at least we can all agree on one thing: If you have an online girlfriend for years that you've never met, you are a f***ing loser.

[mr_genius]

Well at least we can all agree on one thing: If you have an online girlfriend for years that you've never met, you are a f***ing loser.

 

yep