Obamanation Re-election MegaThread

[Jenksismyhero]

It's more of a philosophical question than a scientific one imo.

 

Exactly. We know, scientifically, what's going to happen. The question is when/if we should stop it from happening.

[Soxbadger]

I don't see why we need to "increase" the availability of the morning after pill. If it's available, as it is now, then that's all that is required.

 

In order to get the pill you need to visit a doctor anyway right? So there doesn't need to be a requirement for a consultation.

 

I think if we are going to put abortions on a fast track, morning after should be available over the counter.

 

 

It's more of a philosophical question than a scientific one imo.

 

Well its technically both.

 

The term "alive" can have both philosophical and scientific definitions. When speaking about abortions it is both philosophical and scientific. My philosophy though is to take a scientific rationale approach to the issue. Thus, there could be a day when abortions are unnecessary as science could create a technology to remove the unborn fetus, put it in a test tube and protect the life.

 

That is why I say some of it depends on science.

[greg775]

I have a question.

I was thinking the other day: Is there ANYTHING Obama could do to cost him the election?

I mean the economy is so bad it is laughable. It's not like he's been some sort of international guru.

Yet I ask ... Is the upcoming election the biggest lock in politico history? Seriously? It's an obvious landslide victory.

 

And my other question is: 2.) Now that we have had an African American president, do you think we will forever have an African American president? After Obama who is the next African American candidate on the Democrat side? I'm just thinking in this age of political correctness the so called minority candidate will be a lock to win each and every election. I do believe that we are there as a society. That if it's 1 vs. 1, democrat vs. republican, the minority candidate WILL WIN.

 

I do not mean to come across as a jerk here. I CAN ASSURE YOU I am not racist. I voted for Obama and all that. Pls. answer my 2 questions. Thanks.

 

I guess I have a third question: Does the term "minority" still get used? Haven't Afr. Americans surpassed Caucasians in terms of numbers of people in the U.S?

Edited May 7, 2012 by greg775

[StrangeSox]

1 yes

2 no

3a yes 3b no

[mr_genius]

1 yes

2 no

3a yes 3b no

 

"1)" was also had multiple parts to it.

 

Is there ANYTHING Obama could do to cost him the election?

 

Yet I ask ... Is the upcoming election the biggest lock in politico history?

 

Seriously?

 

and as you can see, "yes" would be a contradiction when used to answer them all.

 

...or would it?

Edited May 8, 2012 by mr_genius

[Cknolls]

I read something a while ago that 20-30% of women regret the decision, even years later. There are also studies that have shown that some women suffer from depression or other mental anxiety over it. I'm not suggesting that it's the overwhelming majority but enough to suggest it's not some easy to decision to be taken lightly for everyone.

 

 

Along those lines, wondering if the gov't has ever done any studies of the effects of the procedure on women?

[Balta1701]

Along those lines, wondering if the gov't has ever done any studies of the effects of the procedure on women?

Many studies have been done on that over the years.

[Soxbadger]

There are a lot of facts, most of them support legalized abortion.

 

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_IAW.html

 

Highly restrictive abortion laws are not associated with lower abortion rates. For example, the abortion rate is 29 per 1,000 women of childbearing age in Africa and 32 per 1,000 in Latin America—regions in which abortion is illegal under most circumstances in the majority of countries. The rate is 12 per 1,000 in Western Europe, where abortion is generally permitted on broad grounds. [1]

 

• In the United States, legal induced abortion results in 0.6 deaths per 100,000 procedures.

 

And that should be compared with the risk of dying from child birth in the US:

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/1...mortality-rates

 

The US ranks 41st in the WHO's league table of maternal mortality, with a risk of women dying in childbirth at one in 4,800.

 

 

Having child: 1 in 4,800

 

Abortion- 1 in 200,000

 

From those stats you are approximately 50x more likely to die carrying a child than having an abortion in the US. (At least if these stats arent lie and I just took the first few I found.)

[mr_genius]

Abortion- 1 in 200,000

 

I'm not anti-abortion, but I have a hard time believing that stat.

[southsider2k5]

There are a lot of facts, most of them support legalized abortion.

 

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_IAW.html

 

Highly restrictive abortion laws are not associated with lower abortion rates. For example, the abortion rate is 29 per 1,000 women of childbearing age in Africa and 32 per 1,000 in Latin America—regions in which abortion is illegal under most circumstances in the majority of countries. The rate is 12 per 1,000 in Western Europe, where abortion is generally permitted on broad grounds. [1]

 

• In the United States, legal induced abortion results in 0.6 deaths per 100,000 procedures.

 

And that should be compared with the risk of dying from child birth in the US:

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/1...mortality-rates

 

The US ranks 41st in the WHO's league table of maternal mortality, with a risk of women dying in childbirth at one in 4,800.

 

 

Having child: 1 in 4,800

Abortion- 1 in 200,000

 

From those stats you are approximately 50x more likely to die carrying a child than having an abortion in the US. (At least if these stats arent lie and I just took the first few I found.)

 

Now I wonder how that compares to instances of people carrying guns?

[Soxbadger]

SS2K,

 

I wondered who was going to catch on to me framing abortion like gun rights.

 

Ive always said that if people actually support personal freedom, I will gladly support states rights with regards to gun ownership. But if they are going to fight me on every other personal freedom, then well Im going to try and take away their toy, because in the words of philosopher Snoop Doggy Dogg if I cant smoke none, she cant either.

 

 

Mr. Genius,

 

That is the rate of death due to abortions in the US. With modern technology and legalized abortion there is basically very little death risk due to an abortion. The reason being is that most of the time it is being conducted at a medical facility.

[mr_genius]

Mr. Genius,

 

That is the rate of death due to abortions in the US. With modern technology and legalized abortion there is basically very little death risk due to an abortion. The reason being is that most of the time it is being conducted at a medical facility.

 

oh i see. maybe i should actually read posts before i reply to them.

[Jenksismyhero]

This is sorta ironic:

 

http://freebeacon.com/no-birth-certificate-required/

 

The White House Visitors Office requires that an unborn child—still residing in utero—must be counted as a full human being when its parents register for a White House tour, according to documents obtained by the Washington Free Beacon.

 

White House Visitors Office director Ellie Schafer sent an email to a Capitol Hill staffer Tuesday morning explaining the process for registering an unborn fetus for a White House tour:

 

We have received a number of calls regarding how to enter security information for a baby that has not yet been born.

 

Crazy as it may sound, you MUST include the baby in the overall count of guests in the tour. It’s an easy process.

 

LAST NAME: The family’s last name

 

FIRST NAME: “Baby” as a first name

MIDDLE NAME: NMN as in No Middle Name

DOB: Use the date you are submitting the request to us as their birthday

GENDER: if the parents know put that gender down if not, you can enter either M or F as we’ll ask you to update it at the time of birth

SOCIAL: As they will not have a SSN and are under 18, you will not need to enter this field. Again if the spreadsheet asked for a social enter 9 zero’s (not the word nine zeros but 000000000 and yes it happens!)

 

CITIZEN/CITY/STATE: The citizen, city and state should be entered the same as the parents

 

[StrangeSox]

I can't even imagine why they'd want that information.

 

edit: Well it's from the Washington Free Beacon, so I'll wait till something with more credibility than that verifies this.

Edited May 8, 2012 by StrangeSox

[Soxbadger]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/gary-jo...-161242264.html

 

If he is on the ballot, who do you think Johnson hurts more, Obama or Romney?

 

[Balta1701]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/gary-jo...-161242264.html

 

If he is on the ballot, who do you think Johnson hurts more, Obama or Romney?

I see no reason to expect that the Libertarian party will draw more than it's usual 1% that it does in most presidential contests.

[StrangeSox]

Libertarians are generally much more in line with Republicans in US politics.

[Soxbadger]

Nader had an impact in 2000, only getting 2.74% of the vote and being only on 43 ballots + DC. If Nader had not been on Florida ballot or NH ballot, Gore may have won.

 

If a 3rd party candidate can get 1-2% it can have drastic implications, thats not counting a race like Bush v. Clinton where Perot got 18.9% and not 1 electoral vote.

 

I was just wondering if people thought Johnson could grab 1-2%.

[Balta1701]

Nader had an impact in 2000, only getting 2.74% of the vote and being only on 43 ballots + DC. If Nader had not been on Florida ballot or NH ballot, Gore may have won.

 

If a 3rd party candidate can get 1-2% it can have drastic implications, thats not counting a race like Bush v. Clinton where Perot got 18.9% and not 1 electoral vote.

 

I was just wondering if people thought Johnson could grab 1-2%.

I'll call this one. The libertarian party will have less of an impact on the ballot than the numerous new restrictions/hurdles to voting passed in the last few years.

[Soxbadger]

Jenks,

 

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/pro-lif...-232932573.html

 

They explained the policy. Its in case the baby is born before the visit and they still want to go, otherwise theyd have to refuse access.

 

The more hypocritical position is that if you kill an unborn fetus you can be charged with murder.

[cabiness42]

Having child: 1 in 4,800

 

Abortion- 1 in 200,000

 

Yet when you have an abortion the death rate for the child is 1 in 1.

[southsider2k5]

Libertarians are generally much more in line with Republicans in US politics.

 

Economically, yes. Socially and militarily, no.

[StrangeSox]

Economically, yes. Socially and militarily, no.

 

Libertarians in the US generally care much more about economic factors than anything else, at least when it comes to voting.

[southsider2k5]

Libertarians in the US generally care much more about economic factors than anything else, at least when it comes to voting.

 

The military's role in the world is a huge issue for Libertarians. That one is the biggest difference between myself and the Libertarians. Socially and Economically I fit their views more than anyone else.

[Balta1701]

The military's role in the world is a huge issue for Libertarians. That one is the biggest difference between myself and the Libertarians. Socially and Economically I fit their views more than anyone else.

They may say that they care about the military, gay rights, drug rights, but the fact that Ron Paul ran for the Republican nomination and his supporters fit there ought to tell you all you need to know about which issue they really care about.