Obamanation Re-election MegaThread

[mr_genius]

I can't see why any Republican would want to run against him and get land-slided.

 

haha

[Balta1701]

A lot of people think the media is easy on Obama except for radicals like Limbaugh who don't really count.

I can't see why any Republican would want to run against him and get land-slided.

(I'd say that the media was just as easy, if not easier, on W, and considering he started a war when they let him off easy...well, that's my reply).

[EvilMonkey]

(I'd say that the media was just as easy, if not easier, on W, and considering he started a war when they let him off easy...well, that's my reply).

You can say that, and would be wrong. Yeah, reporting the daily death counts so people wouldn't forget was letting him off real easy. I will admit that for a brief while after 9/11 they were pretty hands-off, but then they over compensated after that.

[StrangeSox]

They blatantly cheerleaded for the war.

 

eg: http://www.salon.com/2007/07/30/brookings/singleton/

Edited May 14, 2012 by StrangeSox

[StrangeSox]

Gonna note that since AEI (pro-corporate, right-leaning think tank) scholar Norman Ornstein came out with a book (and a recent op-ed) that lays the blame for much of our current governmental dysfunction at the feet of the GOP, the Sunday morning news shows have stopped booking him as a guest. Gotta keep up that centrist "both sides do it!" credibility.

[CanOfCorn]

You can say that, and would be wrong. Yeah, reporting the daily death counts so people wouldn't forget was letting him off real easy. I will admit that for a brief while after 9/11 they were pretty hands-off, but then they over compensated after that.

 

Wars generate ratings. After 6-7 years of the administration not doing what they said they were going to do AND only doing what wasn't necessary to do, the press probably ran out of stories.

Edited May 15, 2012 by CanOfCorn

[Cknolls]

Gonna note that since AEI (pro-corporate, right-leaning think tank) scholar Norman Ornstein came out with a book (and a recent op-ed) that lays the blame for much of our current governmental dysfunction at the feet of the GOP, the Sunday morning news shows have stopped booking him as a guest. Gotta keep up that centrist "both sides do it!" credibility.

 

 

Yeah shocking coming from the resident liberal at AEI.

[StrangeSox]

Yeah shocking coming from the resident liberal at AEI.

Are these guys a bunch of lyin' libs, too?

 

With the use of overlapping cohorts, we can make the over-time comparisons needed to analyze polarization. A good example is Senator Richard Lugar (R-IN), who, after his primary defeat last week, will have served in the Senate between 1977 and 2013. As David Karol points out, Lugar himself did not change very much over time: he was a reliable conservative who moved only somewhat towards the center during a 30-plus year career (from a DW-NOMINATE first dimension score of 0.348 to 0.241). DW-NOMINATE scores range (with slight simplification) from minus 1 to 1 or a band of two units. So in 30 years, Senator Lugar moved just five percent on the liberal-conservative dimension.1

 

For Lugar, what is more dramatic is the change in his ideological position relative to the Senate Republican Caucus. In his first term in Congress, Senator Lugar was the 23rd most moderate Republican in the Senate; in the most recent term (through 2011), he was the fifth most moderate. Even if he had maintained his freshman score of 0.341, he would still have been the 12th most moderate Republican in the 112th Congress. This repositioning occurred because almost every new cohort of Republican Senators has been more conservative than Senator Lugar. That fact is the basis for our claim that the Republican party has moved to the right.

 

 

Polarization is real. Arlen Specter was reelected to the Senate as a moderate Republican in 2004. In the 2010 election, he was replaced by Pat Toomey. Do academics and pundits really want to argue that Republicans have not moved to the right and that Pat Toomey might be more moderate than Arlen Specter because the congressional agenda has changed? Let’s not get picky about polarization. It’s for real, and it is making the United States dysfunctional.

 

 

[Cknolls]

Are these guys a bunch of lyin' libs, too?

 

 

 

 

 

Did I say Ornstein was a liar?

[StrangeSox]

Well you dismissed his claims out of hand or so it seemed. People usually don't do that with something they see as honest.

 

 

[StrangeSox]

Independents are mostly partisans, chapter gazillion

 

[Jenksismyhero]

The liberal media has been effective at making conservatives look like crazy people.

[Chet Lemon]

Dead Al Qaeda Leaders now a Bad Thing?

 

While few voices are lamenting the demise of the man considered to have become Al Qaeda’s global ambassador for Islamist extremism following the death last year of Osama bin Laden, some critics are beginning to find fault with President Obama’s increasing use of the drones in targeted killings.

 

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Senator McCain did not criticize the operations themselves, saying only that disclosure of information about them could “undermine” future operations. But some conservative critics fault what they see as the downside of relying on drone strikes to take out terrorists rather than capturing, detaining, and interrogating them: the loss of what conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer calls “potentially life-saving intelligence.” (Some of Obama's harshest critics suggest that one reason he has embraced the drone-strike approach to high-profile targets is that it avoids the controversial issues of long-term detention and methods of interrogation.)

 

“Certainly there is a considerable benefit from a tactical point of view” in eliminating a high-profile terrorist like Mr. al-Libi, says Yonah Alexander, director of Potomac Institute’s International Center for Terrorism Studies in Arlington, Va. “But from a strategic point of view the picture is not as clear,” he adds, noting that, like Mr. bin Laden’s, al-Libi’s “legacy will live on … especially as he is transformed into a martyr.”

 

Then there is the intelligence question. “If you could capture and interrogate someone of this level, presumably you could get some very valuable information,” Dr. Alexander says.

[Reddy]

Liberals think the media is responsible for the misinformation that makes up the conservative base. Conservatives think the media has a liberal agenda. That's never going to change.

[Jenksismyhero]

Hmm, so an executive ordered amnesty program, and he's not taking questions? If Bush pulled this move we'd be hearing about it non-stop for 7 days.

 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/201...ion_speech.html

 

 

[Balta1701]

Hmm, so an executive ordered amnesty program, and he's not taking questions? If Bush pulled this move we'd be hearing about it non-stop for 7 days.

 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/201...ion_speech.html

Hopefully we do hear about this for 7+ days, it's a great campaign move.

[Cknolls]

Hopefully we do hear about this for 7+ days, it's a great campaign move.

 

 

Yeah that is all this asshole knows. Economy. f*** that I am going to pander to any and every possible person. Biggest asshole to ever occupy the WH. Can't sweep this trash out of Washington fast enough.

[EvilMonkey]

An open question to any of hispanic heritage here, either legal immigrants or first born. YOU are here legally and are enjoying the benefits of citizenship. YOU did things the right way. do YOU really want millions of people who DIDN'T do tings the right way here JUST because they share a heriage with you? I have no affinity for people just because they are white. If you are an asshole or a crook, you are an asshole or crook regardless of your color or religion. So are you for helping people cheat the system because they share your heritage or are you against it?

[EvilMonkey]

Hopefully we do hear about this for 7+ days, it's a great campaign move.

You think so? How are all these millions of Americans who are out of work going to feel having to compete against a few million MORE people for the same rare jobs? It will 'fire up his base', but as with most base firing moves of either side, it also energizes the other side's base.

[Balta1701]

You think so? How are all these millions of Americans who are out of work going to feel having to compete against a few million MORE people for the same rare jobs? It will 'fire up his base', but as with most base firing moves of either side, it also energizes the other side's base.

You really think that the People who are fired up by hating Latinos aren't already fired up to vote against the Kenyan socialist Muslim? And now the Latino community has a reason to be back interested despite the deportations.

 

And on the other hand, now Mitt Romey has to choose between alienating his base or undermining the Republicans with the Latino vote again. And look, a completely useless statement in reply already today.

[Balta1701]

An open question to any of hispanic heritage here, either legal immigrants or first born. YOU are here legally and are enjoying the benefits of citizenship. YOU did things the right way. do YOU really want millions of people who DIDN'T do tings the right way here JUST because they share a heriage with you? I have no affinity for people just because they are white. If you are an asshole or a crook, you are an asshole or crook regardless of your color or religion. So are you for helping people cheat the system because they share your heritage or are you against it?

An open question to you. If a 4 year old is brought to this country by their parents, doesn't speak the language in the country of their birth, grows up here, maybe doesn't even know that they're illegal, has no connection to any other country other than this one, and doesn't want to be deported, does that make them assholes and crooks?

[mr_genius]

Hmm, so an executive ordered amnesty program, and he's not taking questions? If Bush pulled this move we'd be hearing about it non-stop for 7 days.

 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/201...ion_speech.html

 

terrible precedent set. the president just declares amnesty bypassing the rest of the countries elected officials. so what can't the president dictate?

Edited June 16, 2012 by mr_genius

[mr_genius]

Hopefully we do hear about this for 7+ days, it's a great campaign move.

 

i don't think so

[Balta1701]

terrible precedent set. the president just declares amnesty bypassing the rest of the countries elected officials. so what can't the president dictate?

The President has a secret kill list and this is te terrible precedent.

[kapkomet]

You really think that the People who are fired up by hating Latinos aren't already fired up to vote against the Kenyan socialist Muslim? And now the Latino community has a reason to be back interested despite the deportations.

 

And on the other hand, now Mitt Romey has to choose between alienating his base or undermining the Republicans with the Latino vote again. And look, a completely useless statement in reply already today.

 

 

An open question to you. If a 4 year old is brought to this country by their parents, doesn't speak the language in the country of their birth, grows up here, maybe doesn't even know that they're illegal, has no connection to any other country other than this one, and doesn't want to be deported, does that make them assholes and crooks?

 

 

terrible precedent set. the president just declares amnesty bypassing the rest of the countries elected officials. so what can't the president dictate?

 

 

You would go this way Balta. Why didn't his majority Congress pass this bill - oh wait, they didn't have the balls to knowing that he would coronate himself king and go over top by issuing executive orders. If Congress passes this it's one thing, but now... this asshole issues his own law? And you all say Bush was over the top? Get f***ing real.

 

Where does this dickhead stop? Oh, no where. That's right, we have to set up for "racist elections" in case he loses.