ptatc Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 (edited) They did it a few minutes ago. MLB traderumors has it now. Edited February 3, 2012 by ptatc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 QUOTE (ptatc @ Feb 2, 2012 -> 04:01 PM) It was anounnced a few minutes ago. The Cuban chips begin to fall. I wonder what the contract will end up looking like. Give me Soler! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Lets get one of the other 2 please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Good signing for the Cubs.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 3, 2012 Author Share Posted February 3, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (hi8is @ Feb 2, 2012 -> 06:03 PM) The Cuban chips begin to fall. I wonder what the contract will end up looking like. Give me Soler! My friend didn't know the details. He was in a training room when the news went flying around the DR. Edited February 3, 2012 by ptatc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 I bet the Sox sign none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 It will be interesting to see if he ever makes it to the majors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Feb 2, 2012 -> 07:53 PM) It will be interesting to see if he ever makes it to the majors It's an expensive draft pick that doesn't cost you the pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Trib online I love the dig on the Sox whatever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 2, 2012 -> 07:08 PM) It's an expensive draft pick that doesn't cost you the pick. I get that, it's worth the risk. Let's just remember that he's an 18/19 year old from where the talent level is much lower. It's like Cuban cigars, just because they are "restricted" doesn't automatically make them that much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 I heard Goldstein float $7M around. I would have to think that's something like 4/5yrs at $7M. Right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Feb 2, 2012 -> 10:18 PM) I heard Goldstein float $7M around. I would have to think that's something like 4/5yrs at $7M. Right? The years really don't matter all that much if there's no out clause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 2, 2012 -> 10:26 PM) The years really don't matter all that much if there's no out clause. I'm not following. I would think 7 yrs at $7M total would be a lot different than 1 yr at $7M, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Feb 2, 2012 -> 10:27 PM) I'm not following. I would think 7 yrs at $7M total would be a lot different than 1 yr at $7M, right? If it was 1 year that's obviously nuts, but the goal is to stick him in the minors a couple years, have this $7 mil basically wind up as a signing bonus, and then have him for 6.5 years if he makes the bigs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEdWalsh Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Feb 2, 2012 -> 06:45 PM) I bet the Sox sign none. That's what I am really worried about. I want the Sox to get one of 'em! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Feb 2, 2012 -> 09:18 PM) I heard Goldstein float $7M around. I would have to think that's something like 4/5yrs at $7M. Right? That is pretty crazy for a guy who isn't considered to have much upside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 3, 2012 -> 08:01 AM) That is pretty crazy for a guy who isn't considered to have much upside. Basically it takes him being in the big leagues for 1-2 years as a starter to be worth that money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 3, 2012 -> 07:48 AM) Basically it takes him being in the big leagues for 1-2 years as a starter to be worth that money. It also takes him getting to the majors, and the odds are a lot bigger when you are being described as topping out 90. If that is how he is scouted, it probably means he sits in the Mark Buehrle range in reality. To put those dollars into perspective, that is just short of what the #1 pick in the 2011 draft received, and more than the #3 and #4 picks. Would you draft a guy throwing that hard at #3? His margin of error is zero already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 3, 2012 -> 08:52 AM) It also takes him getting to the majors, and the odds are a lot bigger when you are being described as topping out 90. If that is how he is scouted, it probably means he sits in the Mark Buehrle range in reality. To put those dollars into perspective, that is just short of what the #1 pick in the 2011 draft received, and more than the #3 and #4 picks. Would you draft a guy throwing that hard at #3? His margin of error is zero already. The other way to look at it...if you signed 5-6 of those guys, at that salary level, you'd be spending $35-$40 million. If 1 of them became a successful, above average MLB starter, then $30-$40 million in excess value is a reasonable expectation for what he could generate. If 2 of them became average MLB starters, same deal. Some of this is on the scouts and what they say, admittedly, if they told me "He's AAAA fodder" then that's money you can't spend, but this could be a recoverable investment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 3, 2012 -> 08:05 AM) The other way to look at it...if you signed 5-6 of those guys, at that salary level, you'd be spending $35-$40 million. If 1 of them became a successful, above average MLB starter, then $30-$40 million in excess value is a reasonable expectation for what he could generate. If 2 of them became average MLB starters, same deal. Some of this is on the scouts and what they say, admittedly, if they told me "He's AAAA fodder" then that's money you can't spend, but this could be a recoverable investment. Or you could sign one actual 5th starter. $7 million is a huge number to put into a guy whose ceiling is essentially an end of the rotation pitcher. You could load up anywhere else in the world for that. With the margin of error being so small, Concepcion might have gotten 10% of this deal in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 As stated in the Cespedes thread, I have no problem with this deal whatsoever and, in fact, I like it. Nobody is completely topped out at 18 years old. People are saying he is a 4 or a 5, but on a sheer hunch, I don't think he will be. I think he will either flop miserably either due to injury or his arm simply breaking down (which you could say is injury but I won't) or he will pick up a bit of velocity and turn into a nice little pitcher. Either way, this is well worth the risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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