Jordan4life_2003 Posted August 12, 2003 Share Posted August 12, 2003 There is no doubt that are bullpen sucks right now, but how come nobody gives Wunsch credit as being a dependable reliever, it always seems Gordon and Marte are the only ones mentioned as being quality, I don't know about everybody else, but I consider Wunsch a very quality arm out of the pen. I totally agree with u. Wunsh is one of the more underrated relievers in all of baseball really. When he's healthy he's a luxury to have in the pen. He can go out and face 1 guy. Go an inning. Or even get some righties out. I love Wunsh...There was a gm last week where he faced like 6 hitters and struck out 4. He looked dominating. I think he could do that all the time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2003 Posted August 12, 2003 Share Posted August 12, 2003 Hello all, remember me? I'm the one who came on here as soon as you got Schoeny (AKA s*** n' wipe) from us and gave away that most prized of all bullpen posessions, Glover. I was at the game tonight, and there was booing, jeering, and the like at Schoeny, meanwhile, in the stands, the crowd was chuckling to itself that finally we have a chance to have Shoeny work FOR us. He is a horrible pitcher, and, granted, he's only blown a few games for you, I would say that he should get his outright release at the end of this year based on overall performance, if not sooner to free up a spot to a pitcher that might be effective. Sure, he's arbitration-eligible for 2004, but do the Sox REALLY want to subject themselves to what Angels fans have come to expect? Not hope for, but expect. Once again, I'm sorry that the Sox got Shoeny, he's not worth a AAA contract, and he's getting progressively worse, not better. The only reason why his ERA was so low was that Scioscia and Black knew how to use him, and when to pull him, and whom to pull him for. We have three more games here in Anaheim, and I will be flabergasted if we see Schoeny again. The Sox look to me to be the team to beat this year, and I hope that All Star Game Home field advantage comes in handy for the folks in Chicago. The Angels are making a mad dash at last place, tonight excepted. Good luck with the rest of the year, and the rest of the series. I will be at every game cheering my Angels, as I'm sure, beyond any doubt, that you will be cheering your Sox, as it should be. Thanks man... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted August 12, 2003 Share Posted August 12, 2003 Look at his stats he can only face lefties. Only saw two batters last eve before I called it quits. I thought Wright should ahve coem in, or Koch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted August 12, 2003 Author Share Posted August 12, 2003 Against KC, he gave up 4 hits, 1 walk, got no outs. Last nite the only out he got was on a sacrifice. Glover is one thing. But how does KW get out negotiated to the point of giving up a really good pitching prospect in Tim Bittner to boot. Bittner did well for us this year in two clsssifications and is almost lights out at RanchoCoocha monga, wherever that is, for the Angels. Kenny does it again. "How many guys do you want for so and so?? What, you want more? Okay, we'll throw in this guy. What, you want another guy? No problem." What was Bittner in the deal for? We got a worse pitcher with a worse contract and we throw in a solid pitching prospect. General Managers must f***ing love Kenny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loaiza21 Posted August 12, 2003 Share Posted August 12, 2003 At least Gordon and Marte are still ready for us. Cotts, Buehrle, and Garland won't let us down. We knew Colon gets streaky, it's the truth. Let's just hope we are 1.5 up come the end of this series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 12, 2003 Share Posted August 12, 2003 Like I said, if we would have pitched Glover every 3-4 days, we would have had no need for Scott NoSchowenwies. I said this was a bad trade when it happened, and I will say it again. This was a bad trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted August 12, 2003 Share Posted August 12, 2003 Wow, a guy has two bad outings and everyone s***s a brick. We didn't even deserve to win this game. The Sox had so many chances to blow this game wide open, but never could do it. I also sincerely doubt that the Sox would have scored four off of Percy if the game was a save situation. Closers don't particularly like pitching with big leads, but love close games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted August 12, 2003 Share Posted August 12, 2003 Wow, a guy has two bad outings and everyone s***s a brick. We didn't even deserve to win this game. The Sox had so many chances to blow this game wide open, but never could do it. I also sincerely doubt that the Sox would have scored four off of Percy if the game was a save situation. Closers don't particularly like pitching with big leads, but love close games. No excuse to give up 4 runs in 2/3 of an inning though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarkdog Posted August 12, 2003 Share Posted August 12, 2003 When Koch came in to get the final two outs, did anyone watching the game remember the velocity on his fastballs? Got two popups in a tight situation, though one run scored. (Which proves Koch always gives up a run, event if it isnt charged to him). Koch topped out at 95-96. Although he threw some bad 87-90 pitches as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 12, 2003 Share Posted August 12, 2003 No excuse to give up 4 runs in 2/3 of an inning though. Or 4 runs in 1/3 of an inning before that... There is a reason that Anaheim gave up on a lefty who can throw in the mid to upper 90's for Gary Glover. Maybe after a spring with Cooper he will get straightened out, but I am not holding my breath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted August 12, 2003 Share Posted August 12, 2003 I think Schoe has to be used against lefties, 1 or 2 at a time, and that's it, the guy just can't get righties out Righties bat like .345 and lefties .222 off of him, basically we have another lefty specialist Which sucks because who in the hell is going to get righties out I'm not gonna say it was a bad trade because we never used Glover and he wasn't that great this year, but i would have liked to see more of him like ss2k3 said, but i think schoe can be good against lefties for us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted August 12, 2003 Share Posted August 12, 2003 Let somebody have a bad game, and you guys want to rip him to shreds. I know, it's weird. You guys really have to relax. It's 1 game, this is beyond venting too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeportHeather Posted August 12, 2003 Share Posted August 12, 2003 I think that Jerry Manuel's mismanagement of the bullpen is what's really causing this. This is why I think Cooper and Kusyner (sp.?) should be the ones controlling the pen, and nobody else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted August 12, 2003 Author Share Posted August 12, 2003 I still say it was not necessay to give up an excellent pitching prospect like Bittner for Schoen. Glover/Schoen was justifiable. Bittner isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted August 12, 2003 Share Posted August 12, 2003 I still say it was not necessay to give up an excellent pitching prospect like Bittner for Schoen. Glover/Schoen was justifiable. Bittner isn't. I wouldn't exactly call Bittner an excellent prospect. He could turn out, but I wouldn't call him an excellent prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted August 13, 2003 Author Share Posted August 13, 2003 I have never seen Bittner, but his numbers are excellent. He might turn out to be a star, and he might never get close to the show. Makes no difference. He should not have been included in the trade. It's just another example of KW giving up way too much. I say again, Glover/Schoen was justifiable at the time. If the Angels ask for a genuine pitching prospect with very good Class A numbers to be thrown in, tell them "No". Now, with hindsight, it appears as if the Angels were reeeeeally desperate to get rid of Schoen. WTF did we have to include the kid pitcher who is racking up K's with a very good innings/hits ratio? Where is the quid pro quo? Kenny? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted August 13, 2003 Share Posted August 13, 2003 I have never seen Bittner, but his numbers are excellent. He might turn out to be a star, and he might never get close to the show. Makes no difference. He should not have been included in the trade. It's just another example of KW giving up way too much. I say again, Glover/Schoen was justifiable at the time. If the Angels ask for a genuine pitching prospect with very good Class A numbers to be thrown in, tell them "No". Now, with hindsight, it appears as if the Angels were reeeeeally desperate to get rid of Schoen. WTF did we have to include the kid pitcher who is racking up K's with a very good innings/hits ratio? Where is the quid pro quo? Kenny? Stop talking out of your ass. I don't even know where to begin with this. The guy is in A ball and you are calling him the next big thing. It's way too early to judge this trade or any trade. This is just foolish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 13, 2003 Share Posted August 13, 2003 Hey, I just figured out why we got this guy. JR told Kenny to go get a big name pitcher for the bullpen, so Kenny went out and got Scott Schoeneweis, and if I spelled that correctly, that is definately a big name pitcher, right? That only took me 3 or 4 weeks to think of too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted August 13, 2003 Author Share Posted August 13, 2003 You might be right, Danman. I'll let it go. But I never said that he was the "next big thing." I just think he is a pretty good pitching prospect who didn't need to be included in the trade. He'll no doubt be in AA next year, and he can be more accurately judged then. We've given up three decent pitching prospects lately (Ring, Rupe, Francisco). It's not like we're loaded with too many good prospects. I think KW is too generous in giving up these kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted August 13, 2003 Share Posted August 13, 2003 You might be right, Danman. I'll let it go. But I never said that he was the "next big thing." I just think he is a pretty good pitching prospect who didn't need to be included in the trade. He'll no doubt be in AA next year, and he can be more accurately judged then. We've given up three decent pitching prospects lately (Ring, Rupe, Francisco). It's not like we're loaded with too many good prospects. I think KW is too generous in giving up these kids. Well you didn't say he was the next big thing, but you said he was an excellent prospect. It sounds like I changed your mind a bit because you now think he is a pretty good prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted August 13, 2003 Share Posted August 13, 2003 SS needs to show us something next outing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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